Gibson Pick Ups

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  1. Ambrola

    Ambrola Senior Member

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    Years ago I took a set of PU's out of a 1983 LP Heritage Elite which I still have. They only have the 2737842 numbers on them, but no black pat sticker. But I would bet that they are Swaws? How can I be certain? I would assume that I need to take them apart but what would tell me they are? Also while looking through my parts I found a set of mini humbuckers with the Gibson logo on them. If I remember right, I think they were old. Does anyone know what they are worth?
     
  2. ARandall

    ARandall Senior Member

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    The pat# imprint is common from the early 70's......

    Shaws have an additional 6 digit ink stamp on them.
     
  3. bblooz

    bblooz Silver Supporter

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    Gibson transitioned to the PAT # stamped on the bottoms of the PUs in '73-74. They still had PAT # stickered PUs in stock, and both were used until the stickered ones were used up, thus guitars from that era often may have a combination of these installed. Your '83 would likely have had Shaw PUs, IIRC. I'm not sure when Gibson finished using up the stickered Mini-hums, perhaps HCT or Kris might know.
     
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    Tim Shaw's came out in 1980 in the Gibson Les Paul Heritage Line first.
     
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    Additionally, if the minis have the Gibson embossed on the cover then they're from '72. Probably worth a bit more than non embossed ones if thats the case.
     
  6. scozz

    scozz Senior Member

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    I think Shaw’s we’re still being used in 1983, but I’m not sure. Also, I’ve read about some Shaw’s not having any ink stamp on them at all. If I’m right about these two points then you’ve probably got Tim Shaw pickups. Who knows....

    ... @HardCore Troubadour or @Kris Ford would know.
     
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    Stinky Kitty Senior Member

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    I've got a set of Shaws with no ink stamp.
     
  8. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    you will find them until 1987 or so.....

    Shaw's have white plastic spacers,

    a rough cast U O A 5 magnet,

    bobbins without the "T" and the correct square hole in the bobbin...although I have seen a small number that I believe are Shaw's with a T-top bobbin even-though Tim said he never wound any on those bobbins.

    penny copper colored wire on the bobbins,

    black and white lead wires coming from the bobbins,

    the resistance will measure close to 7.5 Ohms when checked with a meter,

    they have base plates embossed with patent number same as the later T-tops,

    some Shaw's also have an ink stamp on the base plate, but the later ones don't have the ink stamp.


    In my experience you need to examine external and internal features to be 100% sure you have what is considered a standard Tim Shaw pickup. Important external (cover still on) features include:


    • Metal stamp "Pat. No. 2,737,842" on bottom base-plate.
    • Four brass (not steel/nickel)-colored screws holding (2) bobbins to base-plate.
    • Ink-stamped manufacturing batch number (e.g., "373") and date number (e.g., "883" [for August 1983]) on base-plate (but missing or only date in some years).
    • Dab of yellow (bridge) or red (neck) color on exposed black woven cloth cover at end of (unmodified) P/U wire....sometimes it is there, sometimes not.
    • The Shaw P/U resistance averaged about 7.5 K-ohms (normally ranging from 7 to 8 K-ohms).
    Key internal (metal P/U cover removed) features include:
    • "Square-inside-circle" inspection hole at one end of each bobbin.
    • Red/orange bobbin wire exposed in those holes.
    • Two holes between 1st and 2nd and 5th and 6th pole pieces in each bobbin exposed ends of brass-colored screws.
    • Smooth finish to bobbins.
    • Bobbins are usually black but may be cream-colored. Some very early Shaw P/Us used ('70s) T-top bobbins.
    • White plastic (not wood) spacer under each bobbin.
    • Rough-cast Alnico V magnet.
     
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  9. Ambrola

    Ambrola Senior Member

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    Thanks for that. I will take them apart and see if I can determine that they are shaws indeed. I looked at the mini humbuckers and they are the P-90's. I have no idea where they came from as I have tons of parts. Bridges, tail pieces, tuners and much more from 30 years of switching parts around.
     
  10. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    you can do a lot of those things without taking all the way apart...remember you can remove the base plate screws one at a time and use a lite to look inside to see spacers/sometimes magnets etc. etc.

    Mini's replaced the P-90 in the early 70's on guitars like the Deluxe etc.......as stated above if they are factory original, they are from late 71 through 72....same pups but the covers add a little because, hey, the embossed cover is COOL!!
     
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    Ambrola Senior Member

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    Here's a picture of one of the pick ups I took out. Can you guys tell anything about them? This one and the other has the 7.57 and what looks to be an ohm setting?
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    bud, if they came out of an 83 Elite, I would say Shaws.....

    fact is, the covers have already been removed at least once, so there's no harm in taking them off and lets get some details to be sure.....take a razor blade and carefully cut the soldier right and the line between the base-plate and the cover.
     
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    Ambrola Senior Member

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    Okay, I will do that today. I knew they had been apart because of the pile of soldier on them. Might have to use my soldier pen to just loosen them joints up and fix that mess after examination.
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    That is what I would do also...
     
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    Well, here's the inside. Looks like the white spacer is there? Can you guys tell me what I have now? After looking at the tell tell sighns, I am convinced these are Shaws. They have the 4 brass screws, white spacers and the holes between the 1st and 2nd 5th and 6th, and the bobbins are black. Am I correct?
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  16. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Ambrola Senior Member

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    Well, after all that, I don't need them. :rofl::run:
     
  18. DarrellV

    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Premium Member

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    LOL!!! Just let HCT know how much you want for them! He'll make a good home for them.:D
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Dang it Darryl, you Know me too well.

    I have actually stopped myself three different times from sending him a PM and telling him if he wanted to sell them, I would be interested… Knowing good and damn well I don’t have anything to put them in!!
     
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  20. ARandall

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    ^ When does there ever need to be an excuse to buy another cool guitar
     

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