Gibson Patent # Sticker pickups

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  1. josep_cla

    josep_cla Senior Member

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    Hi guys!

    What do you think about my "new" beauties? :thumb:

    1)
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    Both with the Patent sticker, Philips base screws and tooling marks.

    What do the experts think? Late or early PS?
    Aproximate year?
    Why?

    What can I expect, tone wise?
    How much different to a PAF? And to a T-Top?
    Wouldn't be able to give them a try in a looooong time...

    Thanks a lot!
     
  2. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    They don't get any love from me.
     
  3. josep_cla

    josep_cla Senior Member

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    I am asking those questions, if you don't mind.
     
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    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    They are late, and other than the bobbins, they are just like T-Tops as it comes to magnets and wire, etc. They do not resemble PAFs tonally speaking.

    Mid 1963-1965. If the pole screws are chrome, then definitely 1965.
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    Cool info! Thanks!
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    Wait, but the magnets are one long and one short, aren't they?
     
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    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    The short magnets became regular production in 1961 (although long magnets have been used intermittently since) The late Pat Nos used the same short A5 magnets as the T-Tops.

    You cannot determine the length of the magnet just by looking at the one end. It is only 1/8" difference and how far it peeps out at one end will not tell the story.
     
  8. josep_cla

    josep_cla Senior Member

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    So I got PAF bobbins with T-Top sound?

    Perfect!!
    I am very happy with that, as I love the sound T-Tops can produce!!
    :dude:


    But, any significant sound difference between these and later T-Tops?
    Just curious...
     
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    Franco is still dead.
     
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    wulfman ABB Fan Premium Member

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    I have a couple of mismatched T-tops with the PAT# stickers and love the sound of them, particularly the bridge pickup which reads 7.2k.
    Let us know what you think when you put them in a guitar and have a listen.
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    I have a basket full of stickered T-Tops and the original ones in my '71 and my '76.
    Just because I love how they sound.:naughty:

    I expect these to be slightly different animals.
     
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    I love t-tops....I have 4,and one non t-top.
     
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    bill m MLP Vendor

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    Those pickups are definately after early 1964 and before early 1965, when the t-top bobbins were used. I have early 1964 pat stickers with pe wire and double black lead wires, which are just like late paf's.
     
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    They look "late" to me; white lead, bobbin wire redish/not purple, etc.
    My guess 64/65....
    Think you can expect nice sounding pu's .... :)
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    Haha.
    One of my fave pickups!

    How your pre-T-Top compare to them?
    :hmm:
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    My same guess.

    I expect them to be, thanks!:wave:
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    So, middle '64 :laugh2:

    Sir, "pe" stands for "plain enamel"?

    Yes, the wire in these looks very different to the purple wire in my PAFs.

    Thanks!
     
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    I have a late PAF with red'ish bobbin wire reading 7.1-7.2K. At least one bobbin has been tampered with so to some people it isn't worth much.... :cool:

    Nice thing though, it drives the amp sooo hard and sounds really good.
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    I have an early one with the purple wire that also had one bobbin messed with.
    6.3K
    Unbeliavable sound in bridge position.

    Wasn't worth enough to the seller hehe:dude:
     
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    josep_cla Senior Member

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    Does the wire look like in mine?

    Thanks!
     

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