Gibson Les Paul "T-Top's"

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  1. Bertrand

    Bertrand Junior Member

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    Hello guys! ;)

    So i'm in need of your help please, i can't decide. I'm planning on getting my 80's Les Paul Standard back to stock.
    The previous owner apparently managed to put some Seymour Duncan's Pickup on it, so i'm actually looking for a pair of 80's T-tops. (Which it is quiet hard to find!)

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    The actual pickups on my LP.

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    I'm asking you because i found those on Ebay, will they fit on my vintage restoration project? What's your opinion about that? :)

    Here is the pickup for sale on Ebay are they legit?

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    Thank you for your help and have a nice day! :dude: ;)
     
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  2. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    What's the description by the seller on these?

    As far as I know, T-Tops plates are engraved with "pat no 2737842"
    and a date stamp.

    Those Gibson USA engravings make me think of 490 - 498 markings.
     
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  3. Bertrand

    Bertrand Junior Member

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    @Bobby Mahogany Sorry i forget to mention this, anyway it's not very descriptive... :confused: Obviously the guy didn't seems to really know what he is selling

    Here is the texte on this item
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    Okay i didn't know thank you for the informations, i'll wait for more anwsers to make a decision then. :)
     
  4. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    1980's might be December 1989...
    :D
     
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  5. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    I don't remember the date period of the T-Top bobbins though.
    More knowledgeable people will take over.
     
  6. Bertrand

    Bertrand Junior Member

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    @Bobby Mahogany Ah okay (sorry i'm not native English so) i though that 80's meant only the year "1980" ahah anyway. Thanks for the correction! :D
    So he doesn't seems to know the exact year okay.

    Nice photo! That's exactly that kind of pickups i'm looking for. :rolleyes:
    I had this one in my list as well are they better?

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    Don't worry it's nice to respond anyway! ;)
     
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  7. grumphh

    grumphh Senior Member

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    Keep the Seymours in there.

    Remember, Seymour Duncan (and Dimarzio) got rich because of Gibsons T-tops.

    Just because something is old ("vintage") or "original" it doesn't mean it is better than what followed...



    Oh, wait, you said "80's T-tops" - well, that would narrow down the possibilities as they were phased out very early in the 80's so there aren't that many around ...
     
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  8. Bertrand

    Bertrand Junior Member

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    @grumphh I understand what you mean but after all that's a matter of personnal choice.

    And even if i get the originals T-tops back in place and decide that it sounds bad i can always rewire the Seymour Duncan so. Nothing is fixed forever after all. :)
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    only if your guitar is early to mid 1980 will it have T-tops (as a general rule) after that until 87 or so, it will be Shaw humbuckers.

    neither of those had the GUSA logo...those are the 490 series, I would think.

    the ones you posted from June 1980 could very well be T-tops OR Shaws, you would need to look at other factors to determine.

    what is the serial number on your guitar, that will narrow down what was stock.
     
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    Okay well my guitar is apparently from 1980, the serial number is "83440514". Thanks for the info!
     
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    northernguitarguy SWeAT hOg

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    T-Top prices can get silly. If money is no problem, or it must be a perfect restoration, so be it. If not, great T-Top clones abound. The Vineham 6070 is fantastic. I've heard great reviews of ReWind TT clones.
     
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    mudface Non-Deadbeat/Non-Prominent Double Platinum Supporter Premium Member

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    That is very late 1980 (December).... the possibility of Shaw’s being original to that guitar are very likely.
     
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    Yep, that guitar would have been fitted with shaws 100%, as the neck was stamped in mid December - and that is before any finishing parts of the process. It more than likely shipped out to stores in mid 81.

    The latest stamped t-tops I've seen are June, but even then they were filtering in Shaw features. I have 1 pickup from this transition period that has 1 shaw bobbin and 1 T-top bobbin. I'd swear they are wound like that too....the Shaw bobbin has the penny copper coloured wire too.
     
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    does the T-top bobbin have the same wire (I honestly do not remember)?

    I have seen many cases of 1 and 1 (T-top and Shaw in the same guitar from the factory).

    these guys nailed it for you Bertrand.....


    if you are patient, you can find a set of T-tops at reasonable price.......

    if I were going to do aftermarket clones, Rewind is who I would use.

    I have heard good things about Brandonwound, but have never actually had any hands on experience with them.
     
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  16. Bertrand

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    @northernguitarguy Indeed! I checked on Ebay & Reverb both are crazy like 300$ for both... :eek: And thanks for the informations i'll remember it. :yesway:

    @mudface Really? Okay thanks! :)

    @NorlinBlackBeauty Nice thanks i'll wait for his answer then. :yesway: Nice guitar you have! :)

    @ARandall Oh so Tim Shaws pickups? Okay i'll stick to it. Thanks very much full of details! That validates what i've seen so far on Ebay and Reverb, for example i found a "1980 Tim Shaw" stamped "Jul 22 1980" and all of the T-Tops are previous to this month so.Thanks. ;)

    @HardCore Troubadour Hmm interesting, so maybe like @ARandall said up there it was during that time of transition?

    Yes don't worry i'm not in a hurry i'll wait for the best offer. :fingersx:
    Thanks anyway for the informations that's good to know! :)
     
  17. ARandall

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    That era 'Tim Shaw' could equally be a T-top.

    The guaranteed Shaws have a 6 digit ink stamp. That month/year format was used in the last 2 years of the T-top and with the very first Shaws in the Heritage series. But most of the regular guitars were getting T-tops fitted at the same time Shaws were being phased in.
     
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    @ARandall Okay then thanks! So both Shaws and T-top will be okay for that year and month?
     
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    They will be a possibility as an unopened pickup, if that is what you are meaning.
     
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