Gibson Les Paul Custom 1971

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  1. Douglust

    Douglust Junior Member

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    Hello,

    I have just joined your forum, having read a few posts and finding this a good place to share information on Les Pauls.

    I have just bought a Gibson Les Paul Custom from a shop in London and have been told that it is a 1971 model and may have PAF pickups. Two of the pots have been replaced and I have been given the originals. I believe that there was a volute that has been removed.

    Can anyone help me verify the vintage and pickups (I suppose I may have to take it apart)? This is my first Gibson and any help to understand what I've got would be most welcomed.

    I bought it because I simply fell in love :)

    (I tried to paste a couple of images but as that didn't work I uploaded a couple of docs)

    I can post anything else that would be helpful.

    Thank you!

    Kind Regards,
    Doug
     
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  2. joedonner2001

    joedonner2001 Senior Member

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    I'm no expert on these, but in my own ignorance my first thought was that perhaps it's a 1969 Les Paul.

    Those look a lot like Vintage and Rare Guitars style pictures. If they are, then it probably is what they say it is.

    Looks very nice!
     
  3. RedSkwirrell

    RedSkwirrell Senior Member

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    Welcome to MLP.
    The Norlin Years forum would be the best place to start.
    I suggest removing the attachments (easy to attach viruses to office documents for anyone opening them) and posting the images in the Gallery part of the site (bottom of the menu).
    Then you can use the link to those in your post.
     
  4. joedonner2001

    joedonner2001 Senior Member

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    Or just upload the pics the same way you did with the Word docs. You don't have to put them into Word docs first.
     
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  5. JPP

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    I used to own a 68. See my avatar. It was without a volute and had the waffle back tuners. Could you provide the S/N. It´s not readable on the photo. As far as I know in 71 they all had a volute.

    Maybe this helps for better identification. Coppied from Blue Book of Electric Guitars.

    Gibson Electric Guitars and Basses

    LES PAUL CUSTOM 1968 REISSUE - single sharp cutaway mahogany body, multi-bound carved maple top, raised
    bound black pickguard, one piece mahogany neck, 22 small fret bound ebony fingerboard with pearl block inlay, tuneo-
    matic bridge/stop tailpiece, multi-bound peghead with pearl split diamond/logo inlay, no neck volute, 3 per side
    Grover tuners, gold hardware, 2 humbucker Pat. No. pickups, 2 volume/2 tone controls, 3 position switch. Available in
    Black finish. Mfd. 1968 only.

    LES PAUL CUSTOM 1969 REISSUE (LPC-)
    - similar to Les Paul Custom 1968 Reissue, except has 3 piece

    mahogany/maple body, 3 piece neck. Available in Alpine White (AW), Black, Cherry, Cherry Sunburst, Ebony (EB),
    Heritage Sunburst, Honeyburst, Natural, Tobacco Sunburst, Vintage Sunburst, Walnut, White, and Wine Red (WR)
    finishes. Mfr. 1969 to date.



    Cheers,
    JPP
     
  6. LesAdrian

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    It looks like 69 because she doesn't have a volute but it could be 1970 because i see a made in usa stamp but not a 100% sure.It looks killer.

    Actually that Made in Usa stamp doesn't look right or legit maybe it was add later.

    It's a 69 pal.
     
  7. Sinster

    Sinster Senior Member

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    It's a trap!!!!
     
  8. Douglust

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    Hi Again,

    Thanks to all who responded so quickly. I am getting the feeling that I may be spending more time here than workking...

    I have uploaded the pics which was easier for me than finding the gallery and linking - I hope this is ok.

    LesAdrian - When I look closely at the back of the neck, while it is smooth, I can see hairline cracks (possibly just paint) which may confirm the shop's saying that the volute was (professionally) removed. Could it still be a 69? Is this "better" than a 71? Thank you for your comments - it makes me feel better after parting with my hard earned cash!

    JPP - The serial number is, I think, 970073 (or 970973). As with above the volute may have been removed. This is what the shop was told by the actual seller. Also: What is the Blue Book of electric guitars?

    RedSkwirrell - If you think the Norlin Years forum is the right place for me then I will go there as well :)

    joedonner2001 - Good eye! The photos are indeed from the Vintage and Rare shop. You think it might be a 69 because of the lack of a volute? And yes the guys at the shop are good and (I believe) trustworthy.

    Sinster - This is no trap :)

    Thank you all for your comments - in short I am feeling as though I have spent my money well and have a good guitar, whatever the details.

    Would it be worthwhile to open up the pickups to check if they are PAF? Is there any chance of damage while doing this?

    Kind Regards,
    Doug
     

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  9. joedonner2001

    joedonner2001 Senior Member

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    That is correct. And, as someone else mentioned, because the "Made in USA" seems a bit strange from the pics, at least, as if it might've been added on later.

    Really doesn't matter - as long as you're happy with the guitar. I'd be if I was you. Looks killer.

    And this might clear up (or confuse even more) the serial number's approximate year:

    http://www.gibson.com/Files/downloads/bluebook/gibsonserialnumbers.pdf
     
  10. JPP

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    Pickups should most likely be so called T-tops.
     
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  11. Douglust

    Douglust Junior Member

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    Thank you for the Blue Book.

    And yes it is helpful and confusing :)

    It could be 1968 but by the made in USA stamp seems more likely to be 1971.
     
  12. LesAdrian

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    I can't tell you the correct answer because the headstock angle looks like the big ones but all we can say is that She's a Beautiful Norlin and she could be from 69-71.
     
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    Thats nice, I need a 69 custom, one piece back and neck badly,its my birth year guitar but they are soooo expensive
     
  14. Midnight Blues

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    Just BEAUTIFUL Doug!!!! Congrats, HNGD, :jam: welcome to the MLPF and welcome to the LP club!!!!
     
  15. old mark

    old mark Senior Member

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    I had a '68 and a '74. Loved them both. The volute came in somewhere in 71, IIRC, but, given that it's Gibson, I would not say that EVERY '71 PL Custom had one...those made early in the year may have had the older style neck just to use up the last of them...
    There was a lot of craftsmanship in those guitars, and a lot more hand work-they are more individual than today's LP's.

    Enjoy it, whatever it turns out to be...hope you got a good deal on it, too.

    Looking at the pics, I'd say it's 1969...my 68 had the waffle backs - I think they were an option back in those days-they were high end tuners, and IRC, very very good ones.

    mark
     
  16. Progrocker111

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    It has definitely Norlin era logo (used since 1971) and smaller diamond shape on headstock (until late 71). So i would say its a 71 with removed volute. If you want to be more sure, pls send us here the number of pot codes (137xxyy, where xx is year and yy is week).
     
  17. Oranjeaap

    Oranjeaap Senior Member

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    Nice guitar!
     

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