I've owned several non-vintage low-high end MIJ Tokai Les Pauls, and only tried about 3-4 Gibson Standards/Traditionals/Studios. By "tried", I mean I spent no more than 3 minutes with each. I liked my Tokai guitars and I didn't like some of the Gibsons. What I see is that there are people who swear by MIJ Les Pauls, and 99% of them go as far as say that non-Custom shop Gibsons are rubbish. However, on the other hand, I see a ton of people in the Gibson section swearing by their Gibson Standards/Trads/Studios. I realize that most of them have never played a MIJ LP, and some of them might be blinded by the Gibson brand image. However, I assume most MIJ fans have actually tried real non-Custom shop Gibsons. What I wonder about is: are non-CS Gibson really that bad? Or is there some fanboism going in the MIJ "community" as well? I know I have been a fan of Japanese culture in general, and when I found out that the Japanese make great guitars, which are supposedly better than "the real thing", I went Tokai LP for my first non-low-end guitar (I've only owned $200 guitars prior to that), and became a MIJ fanboi. In fact, I was anti-Gibson without even having played one. Later on, I tried several Gibsons. I couldn't fault the Traditional one that I played, but I didn't really spend enough time with it. I was actually surprised that it didn't feel even close to rubbish to me. However, I played it in a shop, using an amp I wasn't used to, and I didn't have any Tokais to compare it to. Therefore, I have no idea whether it would have been good for me. The other two Gibsons felt like a fake Les Paul as they were literally too light and sounded bland to me. However, I cannot rule out the possibility that my perception of the sound was affected by the fact that they felt wrong in my hands due to excessive weight relief. Either way, I wouldn't want to own one. But these were Studio (no surprise) and Standard. I am aware that Gibsons are overpriced and have bad QA, and MIJ LPs are such a much better deal price-wise and the QA is top notch. However, price and QA issues aside, I wonder if non-Custom shop Gibson guitars are really that bad compared to MIJ as musical instruments? Does that apply to other models, like SGs, Flying Vs and Explorers, as well?