Favorite Vintage Marshall tone- reissues ok

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Which Marshall tone is the best?

  1. JTM 45 or JTM 45/100

    30 vote(s)
    50.8%
  2. JMP - 1986

    11 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. JMP - 1987

    15 vote(s)
    25.4%
  4. Major 200

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  5. PA amps

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. 2061

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  7. 1974

    6 vote(s)
    10.2%
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  1. ac/dcfan87

    ac/dcfan87 Senior Member

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    What's your favorite vintage Marshall tone?

    JTM 45 or JTM 45/100 also include JTM 50 black flag
    1986 Bass JMP
    1987 Lead JMP
    2061
    1974
    PA
    Major

    I have a JTM 45 clone, 1974X based, and a 2061X. I think I like the JTM 45 the best. The more I listen to the John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers w/ Eric Clapton, the more I think the JTM 45 is the one. I still hope to own a 1987 JMP clone someday but IMO right now it's not on my radar because the JTM 45 clone does it for me. More of a bluesier vibe which is what I'm into and still enough plexi crunch for 70s rock. It has such a nice sag and compression that just sounds juicy. Obviously I need serious education on old Marshall tone but I'm getting there. But that JTM 45, just so nice.

    Which old Marshall tone do you like the most? Reissues are ok too, I don't want to get into a debate about this circuit changed or whatever.
     
  2. Liam

    Liam V.I.P. Member

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    I've gone for the baby JMP bass amp (1986), because I really like my one. But what about the 100 watt amps - 1959 Super Lead, or the 1992 Super Bass? I'm not sure if the JMP 2203 and 2204 are old enough to be considered vintage, but to me they are absolute classics, and I love the 2203 above all other amps. I have 2 of them, just in case I lose my #1 favourite amp at any point. I pretended it myself it was in case the original one dies, but I've used it for donkey's years and it has never let me down.

    Liam
     
  3. Marshall & Moonshine

    Marshall & Moonshine Senior Member

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    I'm a 2204 guy, myself. :)
     
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    tolm Bigsby Junkie Premium Member

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    JTM45 for me: cranked that is just 30W of perfection to my ears.
     
  6. Mustard Caps

    Mustard Caps Senior Member

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    Does a Metro GMP45 count ??

    I also like the Metro GMP45/100 and the Metro 10,000-12,000 Series Plexis.

    I have the GMP45 LTD ED. Killer amp.
     
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  7. Quill

    Quill Senior Member

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    I would absolutely love to talk in detail about all of these amps. But, I have only once played a reissue of the JTM45. And it was so great. One of the hand-wired ones. It pushed me very close to the edge of the building-one cliff ...

    I'll bet I'm not alone, in being one of those who really only knows the JTM45, and that, only a bit. Why don't you folks who know and love the other ones say a little more about what you prefer about your choices?

    A lot of players say they once loved the JTM45, but then they played one of the early hundred-watt amps and never went back. I guess one'd have to just plug in to know for certain ... but, can anyone explain what that's about?
     
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  8. Gary

    Gary Senior Member

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  9. Matty

    Matty Senior Member

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    I didn't see the option for a SLP? :hmm:

    ...so I voted 1987. :thumb:
     
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  10. ac/dcfan87

    ac/dcfan87 Senior Member

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    I'm sorry I messed up the poll. Super bass and super lead should included in there. Just vote for lead or bass. Idk how to edit the poll now that I've started. Sorry I'm lame
     
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  11. jerry47

    jerry47 Premium Member

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    Jtm 45 / 100:thumb:
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  12. Kladen

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    Properly sheer power and amount of gain.
     
  13. frankv

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    You sure did mess it up.. You don't have the 70's JMP or early 80's JCM.. So I'll vote for 2203/2204 all variations before 1985
     
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    Mr Insane Senior Member

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    go to the 7:55 mark for the best marshall tone ever
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhh1A1RVTgA[/ame]

    my answer, whaterver model JMP Phil has.
     
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    stock1959 SLP.... Bestest sumbitch I've played....
     
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  17. Mustard Caps

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    If you want to build 1 ??? And you want a No Compromise Kit ??? To the Specs of a Metro GMP45 ??? Which is a reverse engineered copy of a 1966 JTM45

    Go to Valvestorm. They even have NOS Mustard Caps and all the other NOS thingies. Lemco's, PEC pots.

    You can als ask what stuff Metro uses on their Limited Edition Series amp. Like Mine. I also believe Mallory and the New "Vintage" SOZOs are what are also available.

    Their kits are second to none and the only difference in 1 of these and a Metro is that a Metro is of course put together and burned in by George himself.

    Other than that if youre good enough ect you can build the best JTM45 money can buy regardless of cost, if a true to spec JTM45 is what is really wanted.

    Short of going back in time, the Valvestorm kits with the Heyboer/Metro Spec transformers/Choke and NOS parts, is as close as humanly possible you can get to an original 1966 JTM45.

    I believe the Best kit with the Mustard Caps ect. The GMP45 kit... With a Head Cabinet is $1300. Or somewhere around that.

    I myself like the later 1966 version of the JTM45, no Tremolo, and a clone is about the only way to get 1.

    Not saying it better either. Just different, The Metro GMP45 is 1 of the FEW that you can find that has the Drake type transformers and KT66s.

    The Marshalls, Germinos, Wallace, and others are based on the Earlier Cleaner, Radiospares Transformers. The earlier models are a little cleaner and 8 watts less. 30 vs 38 watts. The later 1's have a bit more of a very low gain NKT275 germanium fuzz face grit when pushed into OD.

    Much of the never went back deal, IMHO, was because of the quest for more power and to compete with drummers ect. Everyone in the bands when these amps were being designed, were fighting for more more more.

    But with great PA's now, you can use almost anything

    I guarantee though that a 30-38 watt JTM45 with 2 x 4 x 12 of some Hemp coned JBL E120s will scare many a 100 Watt Marshall with 8 x 12 original Pulsonic coned G12M 30 watt 55hz cone Celestions.

    My 38 watt amp with 2 E120s is very loud. 103db x 1/w x 1/m, 300 watts worth of speakers for a 38 watt amp. Even 1 speaker is very loud and clean. Its still a 150 watt speaker 103db efficiency speaker and 38 watt amp. 18lbs magnet and 4 inch voice coil.

    But then again you can take the same 100 watt amp and add the same speakers and compete with jet airplanes. 2 E120's in a small place cranked with a 100 watt amp is brutal.

    I myself like the KT66 JTM45 and the KT66 JTM45/100 as my favorite amps. After that it would be either the 10,000 or 12,000 series..67-68 Plexi and the 1986 for a 50 watter.

    Under 50 watt amp and I like the KT66 JTM45 /GMP45 head. I like KT66s ( Real Ones ) better than EL34's or 6550's.

    I also like to run my GMP45 with a 2 x 1 x 12 cabinets with hemp coned JBL E120s. I can scare 100 watt amps. I also have some Pulsonic cone celaestions but 1 x 12s are easy to carry around, very loud and I like JBLs.

    Ive got all NOS tubes in it. 2 1956 Marconi Osram KT66s. 2 Mullard Master series 10M Gold pins in v1 x v2. NOS 1956 Mu Mullard Sq Getter, Long Plate in V3 and a 1961 Mullard Fat Base GZ34/5AR4 Rectifier.

    Its all but dead quiet at full volume.

    You can get the same parts as shown in my amp below from Valvestorm. Also the Metro Spec Transformers and Choke.

    In the photo below that also a Blackfaced 69 Dual Showman Reverb with a Dumble ODS mod on the 1st channel. The Bright Switch engages the OD Mod.
    Im running the Metro in 1 cab and the Fender through the other. Running the Showman at 8 ohms cuts it back to around 55 watts and makes it a great match for the Metro.

    I have so much stuff in this room I cant hardly move. But its what I have at the moment.
    I also have a Sound City 4 x 12 Cabinet loaded with 4 x 12 Pulsonic Coned Fane 100 Watt Cresendos. in here, a 2 x 15 Carvin cabinet loaded with Altec Lansing 418H. A 4 x 12 Mather 1982 Oversized TVB cabinet with EC Collins Bluesbreaker cloth and 4 1972 Pulsonic coned Celestion G12M's 25 watt 75hz cones. A Fender Cybertwin and 3 times more speakers in the Attic.

    Ive found the 1 x 12's and multiple 1 x 12's a breath of fresh air compared to even lugging around 2 x 12 cabinets.

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    Since I just put my 82 jcm800 4010/2204 back together today and played the **** out of it, I am going to have to go with that!
    Threw my Keeyley modded SD-1 in front of it, and God it was heavy metal tone heaven!
     
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    Well he took off the front due to overheat and put a bbq grill on front. I guess that could be considered modding:laugh2:
     

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