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Discussion in 'Norlin Years' started by dwagar, Mar 26, 2009.
I think so. Too bad there.
I asked the guy, he said no......that is as much as I can tell you.
most every 2 stamp I have seen is centered including the MM you have....if this were a 2 stamp, it would be way off center.
Every 2 stamp I have seen has been very close to the same size as the numbers in the serial, if this were a 2 stamp it would be smaller that all of the other numbers.
I have seen some smaller font number from time to time, but the smaller ones have always been the 3-4 digit "production/batch" numbers etc.
looks like lint in the photo.....there is also something above the 4 that I allude to earlier.
factory seconds during this time-period don't mean much.....the BGN stamps are a little different story.
Have him take another pic.
If he does not ,might be a "2". Heres my 2. Not same size.
I would not expect all to be centered. Or same size as the rest of serial#`s.
Agreed they don`t mean much.
there is no reason for me to pester the man when I am not going to buy....
he says it is 100% and there is no markings for it being a second...there is nothing to make me think otherwise.
would a 73 or 73 special order 'standard' have any pots that would bear the embossed 'Gibson' logo on them?
Granted I'm far from an expert but that does look like the two volume pots were replced, along with the non 'bb' cap. Just curious if pots would contain that Gibson embossed stamp.
I can not see the pic for whatever reason but I do not remember logo pots during this time period.
its hosted on imgur.com perhaps it's blocked by work filter somtimes Ive seen that happen. I too don't recall logo pots then. I am fairly certain it SHOULD have the embossed 'Gibson' logo on the pickups too, they don't (have other photos of the guitar). I believe the neck pu was replaced in this guitar. Plus even if they did have logo pots then, look at the black sheath, some solder iron nicks on it, someone has been in there other than the Gibson employee who soldered them in the first place!
Also the color of this is Cherry Sunburst. It hasn't faded. Ive only seen Deluxes from that time in Cherry Sunburst, as the 'Sunburst' finish was darker, this is way red, almost tomato soup. I can't tell if it has any routing in it but based on the color I am beginning to think it has been routed for full size humbuckers. I do not have a picture of the pickup cavities though.
Pick guard spacing is one, and in this next pic there is an odd wear mark at the edge of the bridge pu-
And look closely, the neck pu is installed backwards....
pic probably blocked at my work...we are funny like that sometimes.
i have seen late 71's 1972's and early 73's WITH embossed pup covers.....and have also seen all WITHOUT them...it is a crap shoot but 72 seemed to be the big year for them.
I have seen many different shades of bursts finishes also.....so that really is no measuring stick.
I have seen white versions of the sprague caps in 73 as well as a oblong brown/black cap used in late 73 early 74.
yup they don't make ID'ing them easy in this era!
Hehehe, " '73 special order standard"
...by now there are probably more "special order standards" from that era than there are deluxes...
...what i never understood about my personal '71 special order is how they got hold of those dirty fingers back then. Probably just your average wormhole opening though....
69GT and Prog are both really good at IDing late 60's early 70's LPs.
Did you notice the 2 different ground wires and how the 1 is intertwined and soldered as to not disturb the tone pots solder ???? Keep it an original joint ???
Never seen that from Gibson before ,,But I know nothing about these , from those years , except it don't look right
I can see it now....my opinion.
wiring channel puts it at 73
2 pots and cap replaced
pup rings replaced
i would want to see the routes, back of pups, TRC and serial number
TRC is blank which is not uncommon for that era too, but could also have been replaced. Serial number (and out of respect for the 'seller' I will not list it or the photo) but that corresponds to 71-73 timeframe from the dateer website.
Sadly I never got any pickup cavity or themselves photos. The small wear spot at the edge of the bridge pu, could be a finish chip from an entry point of a router. I dunno. Claims there is no routing, but after what happened (long different story) I do not believe anything this seller says anymore. The neck pu ring is on backwards and while the pickguard is mounted at the proper fret place, it looks either misshapen, OR the fact that the bridge pu cavity was routed out to accomodate a full size HB, caused a slight mis alignment with the ring to the pickguard.
I'm passing on this guitar now for sure. Thanks for the comments/insight!
Nice player. Routed 1973 deluxe.
All kinds of replacement parts. Bet the serial # starts with a "1".
it does indeed 120XXX 'made in usa' both stamped/embossed in no decal or inked.
Yep. mahogany neck and all.
Never know , these can be real nice guitars if set up correctly.
Not a collector guitar by any means.
agreed on both parts. If the price was by half I'd be more enticed, even with the shadyness of the seller which rose its face the other day and caused me to put the brakes on the entire deal.