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Discussion in 'Epiphone Les Pauls' started by Wayne2277, Mar 7, 2018.
Are all Epiphone guitars machine made or are some hand made like Gibson's?
Both are 'machine made'
both are hand made.....
Both are made with parts on hand.
both are made with hands involved.
Machine made, hand finished?
Hand fed to machines.
Ok now I understand. I was confused at first.
CNC cut, including top contour, neck profiles, fretboards probably too.
Binding router jig (Bubba, push up against the stop and then slowly spin it all the way around then put it on the shelf, then do it again with the next one) or possibly CNC.
Hands and machines on final wood surface finishing.
Hand fine fitting if needs be.
Machine multiwinders for pickups. (solder end, hit the green button, prep other frames for next bunch to go on multiwinder, slurp coffee, clip, solder other end, solder leads, put that batch of pickups in Dollar Gentrul plastic tray to go to Ruth Ellen to solder covers on.
Hand soldering harness unless it 'the board' which is machine made, populated, and soldered except pickup/switch leads, pot connections, cap leads.
Pickups in, hand solder all lead connections.
Pretty much the same anywhere. Some companies do some auto painting with some basic mono finishes.
Inlay voids can be cut via CNC/laser, not rocket science.
Inlays themselves can be cut by CNC/laser, also no rocket science.
Autocad and the like ain't rocket science.
Ain't no magic there, as hard as one might search....
I would venture that issues are always human....not CNC as long as CNC is properly maintained. CNC can cut the same every single time...tolerances the eye can't even see....
Epi body being multi chunk is a non-issue. Gibs are multi chunk too, every single one except slab Lesters (Jr and such). Norlins were two ply hog bottoms and two, three, and up maples, early some hog-thin sheet maple-hog bottoms if I remember correctly.
One piece maple top Lester is still technically plywood. Maple on top of hog. Technically plywood. Most Lesters now are two maples on a single hog. Plywood.
Epi body, if multi chunk hog makes little difference if glued and cured under pressure CORRECTLY. If one thinks otherwise, the soundboard on a freaking Martin D-45 has a small bucket of multiple pieces of wood underneath it, glued and cured under pressure. The body of the D-45 is a bigger bucket of multiple pieces of wood with all glued and cured under pressure. Seems to work pretty well on acoustics... Played a Martin the other day with the eleventy-seven gillion ply lami neck with the lami back and sides... (I call em green guts Martins) Played and sounded fabulous....
and folks bitch about Bakelite boards on an electric...
I don't even care if TB or deadhorse is used...if done right....
I actually took the time to watch both of these through. I've seen similar videos for each before separately but never actually compared side by side. Certainly each has system has its benefits, and after watching the Gibson video I can see that additional cost is more than justified by additional labor, and a lot more time spent with hands on the instrument. That's an angle I knew was there before but that's certainly easier to quantify now (at least mentally). Whether that's worth paying for is the part that's really subjective.
I've had and loved guitars with each brand, and will have many more in the future with any luck. Seeing the factory end of things certainly adds another layer of appreciation for them (both) at least for me. Thanks for posting these, Pete!
here is another one - just for comparison
that's where my €€€ went for the most part
Best example of CNC quality is the end of the Fujigen vid where the guy holds up the white bass by the neck with no neck screws holding the body. That join can make or break a bolt guitar/bass. That join looked about perfect... That is two seperate CNC machines' output but yet perfect fit... They have it going on...
just like this two...
Yep. The number of chunks at join doesn't matter. The join is what matters.
Neck into pocket, cap+slab, slab+slab+cap, slab||slab+cap||cap... Makes no difference if the joins are perfect and the glue (TB or deadhorse) is applied correctly and cured under pressure... One solid chunk is the result.