Epiphone "1959" Les Paul next to the Gibson 2009 50th Anniversary Reissue

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  1. Talisker

    Talisker Junior Member

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    Folks,

    My first (and maybe last - but don't stop reading yet) Epiphone Les Paul was the new 1959 edition. Got it from Sweetwater a few weeks ago. Cherryburst.

    Anyway, I photographed it next to my friend's Gibson 2009 50th Anniversary '59 reissue and posted the images to Flickr (14 crappy but somewhat edifying images, including one of the truss rod cover, which had earlier sparked some questions in this forum):

    "1959" Les Paul Guitars: Gibson and Epiphone Models 2009 - a set on Flickr

    I also posted some more detailed thoughts and comparisons to other guitars on my blog here:

    Review: Epiphone Limited Edition 1959 Les Paul Electric Guitar | Ethan Prater

    In short:

    • The necks are barely comparable - Gibson thicker and rounder (which I prefer). Though the Epi '59 LP neck is still more robust than my Epi Dot or my Gibson LP Classic Custom.
    • Distinct difference in sound from even a "regular" Gibson Les Paul, much less the '59 reissue.
    • Very nicely put-together cosmetically. No flaws to be found.
    • The Epiphone might be worth $800 or even $900, but highly dependent on what you're looking for.
    As you'll read, I'm likely to return mine. But it's in no way a total dud.

    -Ethan

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  2. lp_junkie

    lp_junkie Senior Member

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    Actually the necks are different on almost all the real 59's and R9's I have ever touched, so the "spec" is a composite measurement of several different guitars.

    Epi necks always seem a little thinner than what they advertise them to be.

    I like the baseball bat necks so it takes me a lot to find a guitar that I truly like.
     
  3. smokeydusky

    smokeydusky Senior Member

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    Many thanks for the useful review. Glad to see the neck is fatter than the Epi 335 even if it is not quite as good as the R9.

    As I've incessantly asked elsewhere: are the frets Gibson size or Epiphone size?

    Gibson claims the frets are R9-size even though the fretwire is made in China.

    By the way, the Iced Tea seems to be the same rim burst as the Cherry, unlike the teardrop burst pix at epiphone.com.

    Thanks
     
  4. Talisker

    Talisker Junior Member

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    Yes, I've read (here, I think) that the Iced Tea is rim/perimeter burst, but haven't seen one myself in real life - only the teardrop stock photos on all of the retailer web sites.

    Is there an easy way for me to compare/measure fret size? I'm not familiar enough with them offhand to say (though I've got a Gibson LP Studio and Gibson LP Classic Custom here at home, along with an Epiphone Dot - any of those worth comparing?). Happy to report on that if I can.
     
  5. smokeydusky

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    Many thanks for the follow up. I am mostly concerned with the fret height. The Epi frets will be much shorter.

    With Gibson medium jumbo frets, it takes a lot of effort to press the string all the way to the fretboard. String bends are easy. With Epi medium jumbo frets, it is easy to press the string to the fretboard.

    Sweetwater.com has "more real" pictures of both colors of the Epi '59. Wildwoodguitars occasionally shows actual pictures of guitars of either color. Both of these sites have had Ice Tea rimbursts.
     
  6. Yogi

    Yogi Senior Member

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    Yes it is in rimburst, I played one in person the other day. The Iced T burst looks more like a rimburst honeyburst in person, or atleast the one I played did. When I played it the neck and fret reminded me more of the Gibson/Elitist I had played earlier and not like the Epi standard
     
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    River Senior Member

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    Fat = good? Or good = fat?

    "R9-sized" fret wire could be made on Mars. What difference does it make it being made in China?

    Why are you being incessant? :)
     
  10. smokeydusky

    smokeydusky Senior Member

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    :)

    I'm looking for a guitar with an early 50s rounded neck and real jumbo frets. I'm willing to work with a lot of the "other stuff" because this will be a knockaround guitar. The Epi '59 seems to fit my requirements with a lot of bonuses, but I'm trying to evaluate the truth of the advertising (including emails from Gibson).

    If the R9-size fret wire came from Tennessee, then it more likely would match the Gibson medium jumbo specs. Since it is made in China, it presumably suffers from the other QC issues players note about Epis in general.

    As to the last question, I had some of the stuff sprayed on me in the mall. Incessance by Giorgio or something like that.
     
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    Incessant: "Without pause or stop; not ending, especially to the point of annoyance"
     
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    :hmm:

    You know...there's 2 "special models" Epi is offering.....the '59 and the Tribute. I still say the Tribute is a better deal by a mile.

    Still though....nice guitar. Thanks for the pics, OP. :)
     
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    That rimburst just pisses me off. And I don't get pissed of easily.

    I wonder why they finished 'em like that.

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  14. Yogi

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    Thats not the Same 59 that is available in the US. That Model has been available from Ishibashi for a while now, even their Cherry burst is teardrop.It is the same specs as the current 59 but was made as a limited run for Ishibashis anniversary.The current production 59s are all rimburst
     
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    Does that case in the OP's photos come with the Epi 59?
     
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    Hijack: can you recommend some lower-price guitars with fat necks? I have an Epi LP which has a relatively large neck for an Epi, but nothing like my Tele or a typical R8/R7. I'm always looking at R7s or ES335 Fat Necks as the best option for a humbuckered axe with a fat neck. Any other ideas?
     
  17. Yogi

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    Yes
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    Hi Folks
    Although I was very sceptic about Epiphone I ordered a Epi 1959 les paul and I m really not disappopinted!!!! I own 3 Epi Les pauls , a Standard a Black Beauty and a Goldtop.
    just got the new Epi 1959 Les paul in Faded Iced Tea, it looks very nice although a kind of rimburst, but the Finish is very nice, it sounds verĂ½ good, a natural warm woody bluesrock sound, the burstbucker 3 does a good job! I like this guitar very much and it looks much better than my Epi Les Paul Standard plus heritage cherry and it sounds awful good, compared to a " normal " Epiphone, its really not the same as the normal standard runs, the mahagony body looks nice and its shaped perfect, binding and pickup rames are in a nice vintage creme colour, of course this is not a Gibson 59 Reissue, but a very good sounding and looking guitar, I don,t like the faded cherry burst it looks a kind of cheap imo, I think the Iced Tea is nice, its between honeyburst and iced tea, brown not red and it has nice small flames! The laquer and optic is perfect, only the Bridge Volume pot was going hard , it was placed to near to the surface , but all other things were nice! Medium neck, medium frets, a really nice vintage sound I think because of busrtbuckers...! I was very scepic , but astonished how nice the guitar sounded, on all pickups, very warm and crunchy, but no high output!
    I compared the sound to my very nice sounding Gibson Les paul Standard, it still sounds good in comparison , much better than a normal Epi!!!
    Whats your Opinion about the Iced Tea????? let me know !!!
     

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  19. needlespauls

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    Well hell its gorgeous man!!! They sure do come loaded.
    Funny, its named the "1959 Standard", but its actually modeled more like a Gibson "new" Standard with the "rimburst".
    Thats really the biggest problem I have with em'. Otherwise, what a guitar!
     
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    Here some more pics of my second Epi 1959 les Paul faded Iced Tea, i gave back the first one because of the " sick" bridge Volume pot and got another knew one , which looks nicer and has nicer Flames on the top... see here....................
     

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