Epi Dot vs. Sheraton - build wise

Discussion in 'Other Epiphones' started by IRG, Jan 13, 2014.

  1. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Yep, some of them just can't get enough homages for what they have known and done years or decades ago.....:D

    This could be a start....
    as it already was mentioned, without speaking of it :laugh2:

    http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/epiphone-les-pauls/102951-epiphone-history.html

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  2. RTH

    RTH €piphoneWiki Team V.I.P. Member

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    Walter Carter put out a book last year about Epiphone history. I think its his second or third book on the subject. In the most recent book, he lists most of the past and current Epiphone (2012) models in the index. I havent read the book, so I'm not sure how much detail he gets into about specific guitars other than the list in the back of the book. While Carter covers Epiphone history well, from what I'm told, he left out a lot of the Japanese and early 1980's history...which is one era in particular that everyone under 50 seems to be interested in.

    The wiki has more guitars than what is listed in Carter's book, though we mainly try to deal in specifications with a tad of history, while Carter does the opposite. Though, the wiki was never meant to cover Epiphone history to any extent. It is meant to be more of an online Epiphone identification handbook of sorts.
     
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  3. Gregzy

    Gregzy Senior Member

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    I wasn't directly involved with the Guitar Dater project. "Joe Pass Wannabe" and some others started it up using information a dozen or so original members of the Epiphone Corporate Forum (including myself) had accumulated during the first year or so that forum was in existence (c.2000). One day JPW said he was going to create that site and I gave him some information about the serialization formats etc (as did others at that forum) but I was never actively involved with The Guitar Dater site itself. I would hope that forums such as this one would serve to help separate fact from fiction but as we both know that when it comes to women and guitars the line between can become blurred to say nothing of highly emotionally charged and anything contrary to sharing someone's love fest and intoxication with a particular brand can turn ugly quite quickly. I'm not certain how that site could be updated. It's really all about understanding the formats and at the end of the day that ain't rocket science. Again, I think there was method in Epiphone changing things up and I see it at work here at times. Epiphone didn't want a situation where one factory (or production time frame and place) could be construed as superior to another. They didn't want factory "A's products being perceived as better than factory "B"'s so everyone would seek out Factory "A" stuff and ignore factory "B"'s or to have the production from a different country perceived to be better than another country's though after a considerable amount of time doing this the obvious has never been more obvious to me. I'm quite capable of making a pretty accurate analysis of quality of fit, finish and components without knowing the country of origin (That is usually apparent to me from my initial contact). No, Epiphone did change things up to make it more difficult.

    I will add that your work on the Wiki is quite commendable and you have every right to be proud of a job well done. If I didn't find emoticons so deplorable and the absolute nadir of human communication I'd give you a thumbs up or something.
     
  4. Gregzy

    Gregzy Senior Member

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    Walter Carter has written a few books on Epiphone History but he's essentially a shill for Gibson/Epiphone....he's their best salesman but I don't recall him ever being accused of being overly accurate with his information. Epiphone owners love him because he only says nice things about their personal choices. You don't get asked to write books or are given access to company records if you're going to say anything negative and so-called histories and product reviews in magazines are also useless as there seems to be a direct correlation between magazine coverage and advertising revenue. I've only been playing, buying, selling, trading and writing about guitars for forty seven years but if you have a specific question you can always PM me and I'll be glad to do my best. I can't say you'll hear exactly what you want to hear but I will promise that I'll tell you the truth. As for books "American Guitars" by Tom Wheeler and almost anything by Tony Bacon are great resources.
     
  5. IRG

    IRG Senior Member

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    Thanks again. I've been reading the WikiEpi page, and it's a great read. Will take me a while to get through it all. Very informative.
     
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  6. Compulsor

    Compulsor Senior Member

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    Had both, traded the Dot.
    This sums it up:
    I'm always anxious to play my Sheraton,
    I had to remind myself to get the Dot out.

    Sheraton's playability, comfort, balance, resonance, action, stability, TUNING STABILITY and fit and finish, ( In terms of attention to details), are the reasons why; contrasted with the Dot, where those qualities are the very same that caused constant distraction.
    I want spend my time playing gutar; not fighting guitar.
     
  7. zendriveseven

    zendriveseven Senior Member

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    I own a '94 Sheraton. Great playing guitar. One thing to consider is the neck scale length. The frets get awfully tight the higher you go on the neck. It's the only thing I dislike about the guitar.
     
  8. Victek

    Victek Senior Member

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    According to the Epi Wiki the Sheraton and the Dot have the same scale length of 24.75". Is yours different?
     
  9. old mark

    old mark Senior Member

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    She's pretty nice, too...:naughty:


    She's one of those people who can pick up any musical instrument and be able to play it in a day or so...She was taking commercial art in school, but started playing guitar...and is now going to music school and owns at least 6 guitars that once were mine...including a Les Paul Special, a nice Gretsch double cut and that ebony MIK Dot.

    And she still lives with her m & d...
     
  10. Frogfur

    Frogfur Senior Member

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    it's not about looks...but rather about playability.
    as long as it looks good too. Workmanship is better on the
    Sharidan models.
     
  11. paruwi

    paruwi Kraut-Rocker Super Mod Premium Member

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    Epi never made 'Sharidan' models......:lol:
     
  12. interzone

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    Hey all, great thread. I'm new here but have been perusing the boards anonymously for a while now. I'd been eyeing an epi semi-hollow for a bit and ended up going with the Sheraton over the Dot. I can confidently say whether you get the Dot or Sheraton you will not be disappointed, especially since these guitars really might as well be the same except for very small differences that shouldn't be dealbreakers.

    Personally speaking, the main difference I noticed between the Dot and the Sheraton (visual bells & whistles aside) is the Sheraton has a C profile 5 piece neck whereas the Dot has a D profile neck, though honestly the difference is negligible.

    The Dot was on sale at my local shop for about half what the Sheraton cost me which made the decision that much harder, but I still went with the Sheraton for one simple reason: I wanted a beautiful guitar. I mean it had to sound great too, and all these epi's do to my ears, but I couldn't get the Sheraton out of my head for like 3 months. That's not to say the Dot isn't beautiful, because it is... but it doesn't call to me. I wanted a guitar that I found myself really excited to pick up whenever I saw it and the Sheraton fit the bill, specifically the black/gold which is right up my alley:

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    Sadly my shop didn't have this particular model but I pulled the trigger on it today @ MusiciansFriend using the 15% off deal they're currently offering.

    I'd hoped to find a BB Lucille to try as it also was on my radar... perhaps I'll pick that up next. Anyone here have comparisons between the Lucille and the Sheraton?

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  13. MusicLaw

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    Althougn this thread has been dormant for a year, it is timely again as I recently made the Sheraton-II Pro vs. Dot choice. With Epi's July 2015 promo on Archtop Electrics, and the new ProBucker pickups and Nut on the Sheraton-II Pro, I opted for the Sheraton-II Pro in Natural and ordered it sight unseen. It didn't arrive until late Aug or Sep, and arrived with a Dead On Arrival Neck Pickup. It needed to be returned. For the two weeks I had it, it was gorgeous to look at and great to play unplugged or using only the bridge pu. Unfortunately, they are still on backorder for another several weeks....
     
  14. old mark

    old mark Senior Member

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    ALSO, since this first started, I have sold the Dot and the Riviera P93 and bought a second Casino, a 2003 made in Korea by Peerless...and a '90's Sheraton II also made in Korea, by Samick...both great guitars.

    The Cherry Casino...

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    The Sheraton II...

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    Play as many as you can find and one of them will talk to you.
     
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  15. Matt_Krush

    Matt_Krush Senior Member

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    I've had the cherry Dot since about 2003.
    All I ever did to it was change the bridge pick up out to a Dimarzio X2N and adjust the neck once and the bridge height/intonation maybe a couple times in 12 years.

    It is by far the best sounding guitar of my collection...especially for metal.

    I went cheap. I really do like the looks of the Sheridan, and when I played them...I couldn't discern a $200 difference in playability or finish...both were excellent.
     
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  17. redcoats1976

    redcoats1976 Senior Member

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    never actually owned one but drove and maintained them for three years.noisy,rough riding and hard to work on.id buy a sheraton instead.have one and also owned a dot,most of the difference is ornamentation.both nice guitars,just a matter of more bling.
     
  18. old mark

    old mark Senior Member

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    There are some basic differences - neck material and build and better fret finish. If you find - or have - a Dot you really like, get a good pro set up and fret job on it...You will keep it forever. :applause:
     
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    redcoats1976 Senior Member

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    have owned a dot,casino,and sheraton.the casino is lighter,not sure it is any louder unplugged,but the tone is "woodier"for lack of a better word.i dont remember my casino being neck heavy so i guess its balanced ok...
     
  20. Ippon

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    Plays/feels so sweet!

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