does anyone know more about this alleged conversion?

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  1. mdubya

    mdubya Senior Member

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    Posted by Norm's last week.

    The top looks funky. The Gibson logo looks way high if it was supposed to be a routed Goldtop.

    :hmm:

     
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    judson Senior Member

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    always like watching mark, dude gets to play alot of nice stuff......

    didnt see it on the website, maybe it sold already

    saw norm updated his website as well or maybe i just havent been there in awhile

    thanks for the post
     
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    mdubya Senior Member

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    Mark is definitely cool. Fun to follow. But I thought the guitar was kind of sketchy. :D
     
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    judson Senior Member

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    mid 90's he said it was first purchased by the guy that thought he found the holy grail, maybe didnt pay alot for it then hopefully

    Lays has one on Reverb at $15k that looks close to the one in the vid.

    so was the person that did the conversion do it purposely to pass it off as original? i would guess yes as he said it was in a moldy old dusty case and the guitar had tons of old gunk on it..

    prolly all purposely to deceive...

    but today they call them conversions...not fraudulent

    mark had some good points that lets face the average guy will never afford a real Burst, so as a player with all the parts and old wood, why not?

    here is Lays at $15k sort of makes you think about it, that is within reach for alot of players i would guess
    https://reverb.com/item/12266540-gibson-les-paul-standard-1959-cherry-burst-conversion
     
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    Greco Senior Member

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    This looks like kind of an oddball. 60's SG looking inlays. The top looks like a veneer of western maple, and the switch position (or upper curve) and horn look kinda off. The top carve around the switch looks odd too.
     
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    I think it's a 68. Or something. Not a 'burst. I wonder what they are asking for it. I wouldn't pay more than 2 grand. Too many question marks. I thought the same thing about the Gibson logo placement. Too high for a '50's Les Paul.
     
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    2K is a ridiculous number. If the parts are real, they're worth double the asking price. The rest of the guitar is free no matter what it is.
     
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    I bet the expert took the plastics off before he sold the guitar.

    BTW - That Lay's conversion was originally a LP Jr, not a standard GT.
     
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    No doubt the real parts have value...if they are real. The dubious nature of the guitar makes one wonder about the "real" pieces, too. That Norm's is trying to pass it off as a "50's conversion" is questionable to me, too.

    We all know you can't just claim it is a conversion. They made no attempt to show any evidence of it being a 50's anything. In fairness, Mark did say it could be anything. :dunno:

    I think I'd rather take my chances with a verified '59 Melody Maker than with something that "could be anything."
     
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    Jumping@shadows V.I.P. Member

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    That’s pretty lame of Norms imo- it would take 10mins to verify what it is *not*, as a ‘68 is fundamentally different from any ‘50s, and ‘50s so distinctive in itself- to claim ignorance while asking $15k is well..just plain ignorant.
     

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    According to yesterday's GOTD, it's sold.
     
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    That was bothersome to me, for sure. But Mark does encourage calling him for the real details. They don't post specs with the videos. But that was why I started the thread. If I can spot red flags on a video, those red flags are big and obvious.


    I saw that. :shock:
     
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    I love the jazz noodling on the background.

    That all I have to say...:beer:
     
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    +1:cheers2:
     
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    this is a good time to play

    "What would you pay based upon only marks video?"



    mark mentions the cost of the PAFs alone $6-$7k....old plastic is still there he said

    he disclosed everything they know about it...

    mark makes two good statements;

    1) its a tool, made to be played

    2) his playing statement speaks for itself, he and the guitar sound great

    name your max price you would pay......me, maybe $5 to $6k if i was drunk buying online...

    i bet it sold for $9k-$10k maybe , not really sure, he hints/mentions the cost of the PAFs at $6 to $7k and a CC LP at $7,500 would put you past what i think they were asking



    to give them shit for offering it is ridiculous if you dont know what they sold it for,

    everything is relative to cost......

    so until you find out what they got for it, your comments are not valid

    what do you think it sold for? and what would it be worth to you?
     
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    I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. :hippie:
     
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    I couldn't see any maple in the cutaway? Top looks veneered? If the parts are original , they're worth more than 15K.
     
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    Excuse me but that's complete BS. Norm Harris has been in the business for longer than most, he, along with maybe another handful of guys started the vintage retail business. I expect nothing but complete forthright honest spot-on information from his. what somebody paid for it has nothing to do with anything. J@S is 100% correct. Mark's sales pitch on this one is completely unacceptable for a shop of this standing.
     
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    Being in the business a long time suggests nothing in regards to honesty. Smart and/or savvy? Yes. Honest? no.

    And my comment should not be interpreted as pertaining to Norm, with whom I've never done business.
     

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    Pass. Too many questions.

    Is it just me or did that neck pickup sound like shit? Mud city imho.
     
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