Contemplating a Vintage Junior in the near future....Any advice?

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  1. yamariv

    yamariv Senior Member

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    I will be coming into a little extra money in the near future and instead of throwing it onto the house like I've always done I'm contemplating a little treat for myself and want to maybe pick up a 50's Junior :naughty: Plus, I'm sure it won't be a bad investment either.. Looking at a Single Cut

    I come to you vintage specialists for advice...Where to buy one? Any super solid reputable Vintage dealers you can recommend? Are there any threads on what to look for in a Vintage Junior when buying? Changes throughout the years, identifying original harnesses, making sure it's an original P90.. etc?

    Thanks for any help or tips you can provide! :dude:
     
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    You can keep an eye out in the MLP classifieds, they pop up for sale every now and then. If you don't feel like waiting around for one to come for sale then try the MLP sponsors. Should be able to find one from one of those guys. But, you'll probably pay a little bit of a premium over buying from a private seller.

    Not too much to look out for since there's not much to a junior. Just get familiar with pot code dating and what cap should be under the hood. I'm sure there are resources on here that can help you with that and id'ing a legit P90.

    And one more thing. If you can ask about any neck breaks or splits as these are just as susceptible to that as any other Gibson.

    These are truly great guitars, I own a 60. You'll love it once you find one. Happy hunting!
     
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    The forum vendors are a good start, some of them regularly stock vintage juniors, I bought my '58 from one and it was smooth and painless. If you've never owned a vintage Junior they are fantastic instruments and that P90 can be warm and woody, or snarly and roar. Look for the usual stuff, refinishes, replaced parts, neck breaks etc. None of these issues is a deal breaker, but they massively effect the price point. I bought my Junior from Grinningelk, and they were a breeze to deal with, and I got a fantastic instrument with an honest description about it with no sugar coating. Happy hunting and good luck.
     
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    There was a double cut at Grinning Elk. Great guys to deal with. Do you want collector quality? If not you can score one with a headstock break fairly cheap. My 58 has one and it is still an amazing guitar. And I got if for about half of a clean one. Good luck
     
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    yamariv Senior Member

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    Thanks guys, I'll keep an eye out with the Forum Vendors too!

    Are there any threads or resources you guys know of that I can refer to and learn what to look for when trying to confirm if it the guitars have original parts? I guess, how to date code the pots or what to look for when identifying an original P90? I like to fully research my purchases, especially ones that cost this much.

    For example, I just found a Double cut for sale....The add says it's all original but I can tell the nut is a replacement just by looking at it since the string spacing is all messed up..

    I'm looking for an original as possible Single Cut Junior, preferably with no headstock break as it would sort of be an investment. Not looking for collectors grade/mint though. I like mojo and would be playing it and gigging it. :dude: What kind of price would I be looking at for a Junior like that?
     
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    An added opinion, and I'm not saying this as a golden rule, just my opinion, but you're talking about an investment as well as a guitar to gig with, and it's almost impossible to find that Unicorn, so decide your priority...

    1) A clean all original guitar you'll enjoy at home and safe venues occasionally that you could sell for a slight profit

    2) A guitar you gig regularly which may, as years go by, need a refret, you may damage it yourself ( headstock ) or bust tuners etc.

    Either buy a clean piece or buy a players grade instrument, but if you want both, you might ruin it's value just through normal gigging wear and tear.

    For what it's worth vintage Juniors are going for about 1500 bucks more now than what I paid, but I don't care, mine sounds and plays so well I just want to keep it, through whatever refrets or whatever it may need as the years go by.
     
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    Greg at BCR had a 58. But it was a refin with non original parts. Nice guitar though
     
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    Thanks Droog! You bring up very good points! I guess I should clarify a little. I'd more likely be looking for a nice shaped mostly original guitar to play at home with the odd careful gig. I'm definitely not looking for one to beat up and gig it to death. More of a home player with the odd carefully chosen show to play it at.

    The more research I do, I think I'm gonna be looking at a Single Cut Junior in Sunburst as original as possible.
     
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    Brian,
    That one's not on the website anymore, and the '56 Single Cut TV was sold.
    I may get down there in the next day or two, I'll check it out.
     
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    I like that one! Too bad I'm not closer to give it a tryout.. Think that's a pretty fair price given the condition? Looks like no neck break but would have to confirm that..
     
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    You should let me know when you go. Ill bring the 52 in for your to check out. I am off on Wednesdays and usually go in for a couple hours
     
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    Greg still has it posted on EBay.
     
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    I like the Special but am partial to the single P90 of the Junior and want to stay as original as possible finish wise. If a real vintage Junior can sound any better than my 2015 that would be amazing cause my 2015 sounds ridiculous..
     
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    My advice, select 10 Les Paul 50's Juniors that you want.

    Then choose one $1,000 above your budget to get the best quality you can buy.

    Then offer them $1,000 less than what they want.

    Leave the offer with them for 1 month.

    Enjoy your new 1950's Les Paul Jr.
     
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    I understand, I happen to like having a neck pickup, better versatility. As far as the sound of a 50's Jr versus the guitar you currently own is concerned, it's going to be different.
     
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