Claims to be a 63' SG... any thoughts??

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  1. EVH-SETH

    EVH-SETH Senior Member

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    This is on craigslist and im pretty skeptical but its always worth a shot sooo real? Fake? Serial number says 144065

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    Would need more detailed pics to say what it is.

    It's a short neck joint and the beveling looks vintage correct. The pick guard is obviously not correct and that neck binding does not look vintage correct. Looks like it was either re-done or added on.

    Maybe it was a junior converted to Special specs? This would answer the added binding and if they did a hack job of routing for the neck pickup then that might explain the larger guard.

    Just guesses though based on limited pics.
     
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    ^^^^ the tuners are wrong, too.

    That guitar looks like it might have an interesting story to tell, though. :hmm:

    ETA: obviously the knobs and bridge are not original either.
     
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    Headstock looks funny. He's interested in my trade offer. If its a 63 body and neck, I want it.
     
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    It's got a cool case. :)

    You are going to need more info from the seller since most of it is not original.
     
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    I'm getting the serial number reads 1961...
     
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    He says nothing is original, doesn't know about pickups anything, pretty much just as confused as we would be. It's pretty much a judgement call, I'll hopefully get a pic of the control cavity.
     
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    That serial number looks messy but 144065 is late 1963 Around 144305 they crossed into 1964. And also, 6 digit serial numbers did not start until 63.
     
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    Ohhh my bad. This is why I take it to you guys :)
     
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    I'm always glad to offer any help I can with early 60's SG questions :)
     
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    Do you think it's real? I'm offering up an American tele.
     
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    I wonder if it was routed for humbuckers at some point, and the big pick guard used to cover that up?

    Any evidence of a neck break?

    I don't know what an US Tele is worth.

    It looks like a neat guitar. But it also appears to have major issues which would suppress its value.

    Kevin is far more knowledgeable than I would ever be regarding authenticity.

    It appears to be what the guy says it is, to me.
     
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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dY9qpVmyKQ]1963 Gibson SG Special 00668 - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    Thanks for your input, and yes Kevin does seem to know what hes talking about. US teles go for around 7 to 900 dollars so it wouldnt be that bad, but i do love this tele lol
     
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    Those Phil X videos inspired me to buy my SG Classic.

    American Tele appears to be worth $600-$700, am I right?

    In that case, I think it would be a very good trade. If you are gassing for an old SG Special. :D
     
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    I could not tell you a time that i wouldn't be gassing for one :dude:
     
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    Are you going to be able to inspect the guitar? If you are able to, or the seller provides you with reasonable confidence, I would go for it.

    The is a guy in the MLP classifieds selling 60's P-90s and wiring harness right now. :naughty:
     
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    Really? probably way out of my budget but i think im definitely gonna go for it if Kevin chimes in and gives me the ok :naughty: ill defnintely look it over before i hand over the tele but idk about really spending some time with it. Hes 3 hours away.
     
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    Depends on your definition of real. The wood itself from what I can see, yes. Although it's more so what I can NOT see that would worry me.

    The shape of the body looks correct, as do the bevels which never seem to get reproduced correctly on re-issues, clones etc. I can't see the heel though or the back control route. I also can't see the logo clearly enough either to tell if it is inlaid or silk screened which would help determine if this was originally a Junior that was converted.

    Either way this is certainly not a pristine collectors piece as a number of things have been changed and aside from the wood I couldn't say for certain that anything else on the guitar is original or even real Gibson.

    IMO, this guitar would be near impossible to put a value on. It would really come down to you playing it and deciding for yourself if the trade is worth it based on your own personal preferences in feel and playability. If on the other hand you are looking for something with vintage value, this is not it.
     
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    Honestly, No i'm not looking for value at all. I'm looking for this mojo that's said to be within old guitars. Something i haven't experienced yet. And i love Sgs. No if i get this, it will look worse when i get done with it :thumb:
     

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