Changed to 50s Wiring and Might've Smoked Something

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  1. PierM

    PierM Premium Member

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    ahah yeah. I also try to do the most outside the cavity, with a cheap station but which does work pretty good;

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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Higher wattage irons are actually better. You can work faster without time to heat the part. I use 100W, all day every day. Great for the back of pots and jacks and switches and stuff. I have a 65w adjustable for smaller stuff like PCBs, diodes, transistors, caps, etc. but mainly for the flexibility and smaller iron size.
     
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    Yeah that is why I used the 60w one. I do have an adjustable one but in my experience when soldering wiring looms into cars, you can get a super nice joint with just touching briefly.
    And I did just that.
    So having said that, you don't think I fried my caps or pots, cooljuk ?

    Actually.. to go further into that. I learned when I held a wire with my fingers to a spot where I needed to solder it. A lower wattage soldering iron actually introduced more heat into the wire before the solder melted at where you want it. Meaning I would burn my finger a bit when holding it down to get a nice joint, as opposed to not burning my finger when using higher wattage to get a nice joint.

    Maybe I should've used the adjustable one on the lugs though.
     
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    When I have issues similar to yours, the first thing I do is get a very powerful magnifying glass and inspect each solder joint very closely. I have found one or two stray wire strands loose and making contact with another lug.
     
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    You should never smoke before you start wiring things.
     
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    Good call. I will do that tomorrow after work and take the fiddle with me. I have very good lighting there.
    I'm thinking it has to be something like that. Thanks bud :thumb:
     
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    True dat ! Seriously
     
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  8. PierM

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    That little station is a 60W, but I never go higher than 350°, which means a bit more than the half total powa. With this setup I usually close a joint in 2 or 3 seconds max.

    Guidelines for pots are typically for using the lower temp available in your station, to make a good soldering in a short time. There is not need to overheat, but without a station with controlled temps it's also impossible to know which temps you are working with. Watt alone means nothing.

    Btw....Seymour Duncan guidelines are also for something around 40W for pots.

    But imho this is not the problem here.

    PS: for the caps always better to use some heat sink;

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    Yeah that was what I was trying to say earlier. I used those crocodile clamps when I soldered the ground wire and the caps.
    So I don't think that is the problem either. I think it's some wire somewhere or I smoked a pot (lol.. I meant a potentiometer of course).
    I know it's an inanimate object, but I actually feel sorry for my fiddle.
     
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    How low do you turn down the wattage on your adjustable one when you're soldering the components you mentioned (diodes, transistors, caps and such) ?
     
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    About 650, IF I even remember to do that. It's often just left maxed out at 800. When you work fast, it doesn't matter. I have a dozen heat sinks in my toolbox I should probably throw away. I haven't used one in ages. Not even when repairing broken legs on old fragile Bumblebees of hookup leads to AWG 43 or 42 pickup coil wire. I may look over at my iron and realize I've made 20 pickups with it set to 800. No problems.

    Hot irons with new and clean tips and fast work are all you need.
     
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    Thank you for your tips Cooljuk. It is very much appreciated. :cheers2:

    Updates will follow soon.
     
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    The fiddle is up and working again ! Not sure what the deal was. I just rewired it again and it's working as intended now. :dude:
    I never had 50's wiring before, but so far I like it a lot.
    Thank you all for your advice :cheers2:
     
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    I see what you are saying now, Pier. I have that "knee" now at the end of the pot range. But I like it so far. The tone knobs didn't do anything before I fixed the wiring. Now they are responsive and have said knee.
     
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  15. PierM

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    YAY! Glad you sorted out man!

    Enjoy the vintage tone! (I love it too). :)
     
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    It's a can of worms maybe.. But I can tell the difference as opposed to before putting PIO caps and 50's wiring in my guitar. I know the guitar well, so.
     
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    Thanks brother, I'm pretty stoked about it !
    -> edit I'm stoked as f8ck about it :dude:
     
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    Congrats on your success. :applause:

    For future reference they are called "alligator clips". :thumb: You rock.
     
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    Thanks mate :D
    I will try to remember alligator clips. It makes sense.. we call them krokodillenbek-klem (or I do, anyway).
     
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