Freefrog, though our results differ with different listening contexts and test methods, I certainly value your input here. Your analyses are honestly intriguing, and do seem carefully controlled and objectively approached enough to raise some real questions for me. I can't speak directly for Spitfire, but I get the impression he and other skeptics probably feel the same as honestly interested rather than just looking for a fault by which to dismiss your conclusions. I do of course question your conclusions, as you should of course question mine - how else do people who want answers get them? We both know that neither of our methods are perfect, each approaching from different angles, each carried out without ulterior motive, yet arriving at different results. I do intend to look more closely at it with hopes of figuring out why they differ and/or how they may be reconciled. In your favor, you have provided at least some informally published results, while without me putting out real survey result numbers I admit my tests can be taken as merely anecdotal. Early surveys of mine were too informal, and while I never found anyone who could accurately identify a difference in any one test I didn't keep clear records of all the results either. The current survey I am keeping scores to better evaluate later, but I just don't have enough participant data to make for any statistically significant evaluation. I promise that I will "publish" results in due time, but we'll just have to wait a bit longer until I have sufficient results to appraise. Thanks again for your input here. And I never would have guessed that english wasn't your first language - your intentions and thoughts are spoken much more clearly than by many native speakers.