can anyone tell me whats going on with this sg

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  1. roryoneill1

    roryoneill1 Junior Member

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    I bought this guitar about 6 months ago and it plays beautifully. nicer than most sg's I have played. I never really noticed this until the other day but the control cavity is routed through the front instead of the back of the guitar hence no backplates at all. I looked up the serial number and it is apparently made in the early 70's. I'm pretty sure the original finish is stripped back but I have never seen an sg with no backplates. Not sure not if its real or fake does anyone know? most of the hardware isn't original and I put the new tuners on. Screen Shot 2018-08-15 at 10.02.04 am.png Screen Shot 2018-08-15 at 10.02.14 am.png
    Thanks a lot, Rory.

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    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    70's you say?

    I'm willing to bet that's an SG special.

    Looks like the ones @PermissionToLand is researching.
     
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    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    chasenblues Senior Member

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    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    I heard that the front cavity routing was decided in order to save time
    and money and put out guitars faster. Had there been a work conflict that created
    a special (no pun intended) situation?
    :dunno:

    We'll put @chasenblues on the case!

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    lunchbox Senior Member

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    Those were 1 year only: 1972

    Because of the front routing and plates, and lack of bevels at the cutaways, they’re not a very popular model to collect. The coolest one is Tim Sult’s. He put a V neck on his.

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    Correction: 1971-1972, so 2 years.
     
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    MSB Senior Member

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    ES325s did the same thing, saved time at the factory from my understanding.
     
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    PermissionToLand Senior Member

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    Almost. This came before that and replaced the Standard. It's called the Deluxe. They were made from late 1971 to mid 1972. They were only made for a short time because the reception was not positive at the time. There were a lot of radical changes all at once (unusual for Gibson at the time, as they tended to slowly introduce changes as they ran out of old parts). Many of the changes were derided as cost-cutting measures, but in reality only some were, like the front-mounted control plate, non-angled neck and lack of beveling in the cutaways. Other changes like the narrower nut width (1 9/16"), Bigsby trem and elevated LP style pickguard were not cost cutting measures, in fact, the LP style pickguard and body-mounted pickups would be more difficult to assemble than the previous Batwing style.

    I haven't made a wiki page for it yet, but here's the '72 Catalog that detailed many of the changes:

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    To Rory, congrats on the guitar! The finish is in fact original, and was a new offering for 1971 called "Natural". If you remove the control cover and look on the back of the pots, you can get an idea if it was a late '71 or a '72 model. These came with T-Tops (often confused with Tarbacks, they are nearly identical to the PAT. '72 was the last year for T-Tops). The only non-original parts I see are the tuners and bridge, possibly pickups (usually have "Gibson" embossed on covers, but not always).
     
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    jkes01 Senior Member

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    Nice guitar.

    I recently did some research for an SG I was working on for a friend and came across this site.

    http://www.guitarinsite.nl/serienummers-gibson_eng.php

    Serial: 617600

    Built in: 1970-1972 or 1974 or 1975 (Manufactured in Kalamazoo)

    My friend thought his was a ‘67, but my research revealed it to be ‘76. His also was a factory 2nd, marked with the number 2 on the back of the headstock.
     
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    roryoneill1 Junior Member

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    Thanks so much for the detail thats amazing! :)
     
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    Serial numbers from the late '60s and early '70s were pretty erratic and often repeated, so they are unreliable for dating. This model was only made for about a year, anyway.
     
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    Yeah, pretty crazy. The SG I worked on had a serial that started with 00, which apparently they only did in ’76, which made it easy for me. 2 of the original pots also confirmed this.
     
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    Yeah, by '73 or so, they started making some sense again. Between 1968-1972 they are practically useless.
     
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    DarrellV About as sharp as a bowlin' ball! -NPM Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    That must be around the time they changed out the old employee water cooler. ...:naughty:

    :rofl:
     
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    The logo type is 71, the squared off letters is unique to that year.
     
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    This one has pots dating to the 17th week of '73 and still has that same logo:

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