Calling out Detlef @ Guitarpoint in Frankfurt am Main

Discussion in 'Vintage Les Pauls' started by Razzle Dazzle, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Razzle Dazzle

    Razzle Dazzle Premium Member

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    Bad dealers tend to not joke around with rockstar customers, who would cover for them if they get called out otherwise? If I remember correctly Detlef even made me meet you in person in late 2015 (or early 2016) before one of your shows in Fulda so I can feel special about myself and the items I purchased from him, you even told me what a marvellous amp & burst I bought. It's nice that this went so far that even you joined the conversation but it's interesting for sure to see how far certain people go to cover their own asses!

    Buy heads not combos, the best reaction I can think of replying to somebody buying fake combos from your friends shop...:jb:

    I really wanted to let this go with me calling him out, sadly looks like this has only started...
     
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    I know, right?

    Honestly, Fred, this is getting ridiculous. Like I said before the amp belonged to you, you pitched it to me and received a 12k€ Goldtop for the straight up fake Bluesbreaker you gave me in return! You even gave me a copy of the Marshall book together with the amp, I think I'm starting to see a pattern here. At least Guitarpoint & friends take one out to dinner before they take out the lube...

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    Fred, FlyingFred67, just deleted his post. I do regret that I did not quote the whole thing now...:420:
     
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    Here's a funny if quirky comparison of the finishes.

    This is finishes #3, #4, #5, and #6.

    comps.jpg
     
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    Since this question was posted elsewhere on the web...where I do not play, I'm going to answer it here, so if anyone else is thinking this:

    "Eric on the (MLPF) pronounced it was a Goldtop but offered no proof other than his word. Some see that as sufficient. Others don't. Many wonder why he wouldn't produce proof if he has it."

    I'm longer in the business of publicly educating those who insult me and active work to discredit me on the finer points of vintage guitar authentication.

    I have privately provided evidence to a few of the "good guys" that I trust.
     
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    VictorB Formerly LZF Super Mod

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    You are always welcome here Eric.

    There are no dick measuring contests here.

    Except for the Backstage maybe. :laugh2:
     
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    I do gotta set something straight since some of the guys on the LPF make it sound like Eric E. approved the '58 as a Goldtop so he could snatch it for cheap off me. That is not true by a long shot, actually it's the opposite...

    Eric did not pay me a single dime less because of the authentication of the '58 as a Goldtop, he also did not pay me a dime less because of the non-original pickguard that I got from Detlef. All other parts where changed by me for originals before I sold the '58 to Eric!
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up, Gregory. :cheers:

    Does anybody else have an unwarranted cheap shot they want to take? :rofl:
     
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    As a Goldtop owner, threads like this scare the crap outa me.
    I bought her because she was as old as me, and as beat up too, but mainly because I couldn't put her down even alongside some cleaner 52's and some newer LP's. Since then I have A/B'd her with some great Lesters, even one "very" great Lester - and as a player I am happy as a pig in doo-dah with her.
    But as time passes and either I can no longer play her, or I die and the old lady needs to sell her, the impications become increasingly worrying. Let's all just "do right" and be decent folk... please :cool2:
     
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    As a complete layman, the top on this guitar looks unusual for a "real" 58-60 burst, to me. I see bubbles and birdseye in the top. Could be the less than great photos? If I am seeing correctly, are there many other "real" bursts with this type of top?

    TIA. :cheers:
     
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    I've never been one to even think up stuff like that, but what is average, like, 9"?

    Asking for a friend...
     
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    So the one in the pic on page 2 of this thread is the other Conti Burst?
     
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    It's what is commonly referred to as "Blister" or "Pock" Maple. Not a terribly common wood in the 50's, but pretty common pre-war.
     
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    Common on an original burst? More likely to have been used for a painted example?
     
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    It does not....it should be deleted....

    Uncommon on 50's Gibson guitars in general.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    The post was deleted.
     
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    I honestly don't remember meeting you nor seeing your guitar and especially the amp Gregory.. I apologize for that... I am sorry you feel the need to go down this road as you and Detlef could not get together on some sort of deal so you could be happy. The customer is always right.... I can only speak for my own dealings with Detlef and how he has treated me over the years. Good luck on your future endeavors.
    Joe B
     
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    In a civilised society, there would have been a duel by now !
     
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    But let's be honest, we all come here for this drama. And can't look away. I am certainly glad I'm far too poor to play up in that rarified air of original bursts. And I have a lot of respect for those who do because it takes real huevos to do that. Huzzah !!
     
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