Build Your Own Les Paul

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  1. OldBenKenobi

    OldBenKenobi Senior Member

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    Isn't that the object of the thread?

    I agree Gibson's branding is horrendous. That they have both Traditional and Classic models and they don't mean the same goddamn thing is ridiculous. I say wipe that shit out, make the Standard the real Standard, and stick the modern features of the post-08 Standard onto the Axcess (the thread is limited to five models but if I could add a sixth it would be the Axcess).
     
  2. TheX

    TheX Voice of Reason Silver Supporter

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    Side dots are functional, dots on the fingerboard are aesthetic.
     
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    OldBenKenobi Senior Member

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    Maybe for you.
     
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  4. BenjaminW

    BenjaminW Senior Member

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    Well then! I’d keep the following:
    Standard
    Custom
    Jr (Models come with either P90s or humbuckers and dot or trap inlays)
    Studio
    Studio Custom (new line of LP Studios)
    Classic
    Traditional
    Deluxe
    Custom Shop Reissues

    There’s my long list of LP’s to keep.
     
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    slug_maine Senior Member

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    And you guys think Henry ruined Gibson?
     
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    Hector Arcadius Senior Member

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    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    And then you have the same model names on Epiphones. Great idea if you want to sell Epiphones but muddles things if you're trying to keep a premium on your flag ship guitars.
     
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    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    :D
     
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    defcrew Senior Member

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    I'd go the Henry Ford route. You can have any LP you want as long as its black. 56RI, Custom, Trad, Deluxe, Jr DC (it will look like TV yellow but it is actually black).
     
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    jdto Pretend Human Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    I can confirm this to be true. My McCarty 594 has no soul and is a piece of shit. The killer flame on the top has no style. The 58/15 LT pickups sound like a Tele on steroids, which is not a tone anyone likes out of a carved maple top, mahogany body guitar. And those useful coil-tap tones are just soooo annoying and shitty. I mean, who would want a usable coil tap? Don't even get me started on the awesomely comfortable asymmetric neck carve or the easy access to the upper frets. I mean, who wants a guitar that doesn't fight you and feels great to play? It's all about the struggle, right? Then you've got the flawless construction and finishing...there are zero QC issues! Everything lines up perfectly, all the notes ring out up and down the neck, the rosewood is dark and even and even smells fantastic. The locking tuners are smooth and easy to use. Where's the fun in that? A guitar needs to have finish flaws and poorly-executed fret nibs in order for it to have a soul!

    I should just give it to a homeless guy or something :naughty:
     
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    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    And all for under $1000! :D
     
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  12. ehb

    ehb Chief Discombobulator Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    I'll address Lesters:

    Normal Production:
    Custom
    Standard
    Deluxe
    Jr.
    Studio

    All top bound minimum except Jr.

    No Lester would be shipped without a case. Case. Hard case.

    CS: ONE reissue year at the time and an exact copy in every way. Exact. All focus on ONE. Limited production runs. PR blitz with no freaking company head cheeze or underlings anywhere in the PR.... PR the freaking guitars not people. Period.

    CS: Part II - CS would build anybody any special Lester they want. Not cheap. No apologies for not cheap. No negotiation. You want the best, you'll pay for it. It will cost but it will be perfect and exactly what the customer wants. CS would be truly a CS....and only a CS...

    Put the quietus on anyone that mentions Historic or Traditional...with a stick....repeatedly about the head and shoulders...
    Historic/Traditional according to who?
    Not saying they are not good players but the question is "why".

    If there is a need for those in the mix then why in the stem winding hell are there Customs/Standards/Deluxes/Reissues?

    Melody Maker would be thin slab Lester and SG period. Solid, but nice, paints. No fancy. There's your entry level Gib...

    Fix QC. For good.
     
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    slug_maine Senior Member

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    Heard of cork sniffers, rosewood......who knew? I'll give it a try.
     
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  14. LtDave32

    LtDave32 Desert Star Guitars Super Mod Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Harrumph. <taps walking stick on senate floor>

    Remember when Custom Shop meant stuff like getting your name in MOP inlaid on the fret board?

    Real custom work. But that takes skilled craftsmen. And therein lies the rub. You've got to pay those people what they're worth.

    Low wage personnel can't do that. That's why there's CNC machines. Button pushers.

    The one-day poly finish is perhaps my biggest issue. There's so much work that goes into a proper finish, including level-sanding, wet sanding, etc. But that takes labor, time and effort. The enemy of profit.

    When I build, my customers want a no-compromises, hand-crafted instrument built to their desires. The big outfit custom shops should offer that.

    Gibson once offered as standard-issue, off the rack a great instrument.

    Funny now how "off the rack" is so removed from that, and approaching that level is now considered "custom" work.
     
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    rogue3 Senior Member

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    Standard
    Custom
    '58 Historic
    '59 Historic
    Goldtop> '52 to...?.Different years/hardware for different runs.

    various finishes for the first four.Burst and solid.
     
  16. ehb

    ehb Chief Discombobulator Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    I agree. They have become so removed that hit&miss is the norm.

    As I have said before re: Gib, if you want to be the flagship, then by god act like it....

    Clean up your house....

    As far as CS, the folks that would go to the CS for a guitar can afford to pay for the best. Sure, they might try to haggle, such is human nature, but if one is top shelf quality, act like it, and damn well charge for it. It's the CS. It is not the mass pro lines... You want a CS build, you'll pay for it.


    Folks are buying the high dollar Buscarino/PRS/TA/JS/Knaggs/Yarron/etc. all the time... Folks will pay for quality. If I had the geet to drop, I'd drop it on a Moonstone Vulcan in a heartbeat. Moonstones still stand out from way back as on top of the stuff on the top shelf... I just couldn't afford one...and can't justify one now...

    As Dave above alluded to, CS should mean no compromise. Perfect guitar.

    Gib spent to many years as top dog in their minds.....but not in their actions.....

    Doesn't cost much to change attitude...actually cheaper when the change catches on and product value to customer goes up.... You sell more...
     
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    ehb Chief Discombobulator Gold Supporter Premium Member

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    And I'd poly hell out of the Melody Makers and Studios....
     
  18. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    From this thread, seems like there are just too many models wanted to fit the "5 only".

    There would have to be an in-depth analysis of past sales numbers/tendencies.
    Also some (many) focus groups in all segments of the guitar market to establish
    the direction to take. I mean, what segments of Gibson Guitars are profitable or not,
    but more than that, what parts of "Gibson Brands" are taking a dump.
    It's impossible to lay out a plan without seeing the whole picture.
     
  19. MikeyTheCat

    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    Let me tweak that for you...
     
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    MikeyTheCat Senior Member

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    Everyone has their favorites. I don't know what Gibson's sales numbers are for each model, but do they have to make so many models every year?
     

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