Boston, UFO/Schenker, Rhoads - How did they get that tone?

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  1. B5Erik

    B5Erik Senior Member

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    One tone I've always tried to capture was the Boston, Schenker/UFO (Obsession), Randy Rhoads rhythm tone.

    Now I know mike placement has a lot to do with it, but what else is in play to get that tone? It's usually a Les Paul (or, in Schenker's case, a Gibson Flying V), but what pickups? And what amp(s)? How did they get that tone? I have never been able to even get close to that tone.





    The Schenker tone above is the most exaggerated version, but also the most distinctive. How do you get that tone?
     
  2. rockstar232007

    rockstar232007 Senior Member

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    Tom Sholtz's tone comes from his self-made equipment (ever heard of the Rockman? He created it).

    Not too sure about the rest, but Randy Rhodes was known for using lots of reverb and delay.
     
  3. B5Erik

    B5Erik Senior Member

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    Randy actually was a HUGE Boston fan and emulated Tom's sound. As far as I know Randy went Les Paul into a Marshall - but I wonder if there was something else in that chain as well.

    As for that Schenker tone (which has a very similar type of distortion to the Scholz tone), I've heard others get it, and I have zero idea how they got it. I can't replicate it to save my life.
     
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    You too can get the Boston sound with a Rockman X-100. I've got one in a bunch of pieces around here somewhere...
     
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  5. loverocker

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    The guy to ask about anything MS is this guy: https://www.youtube.com/user/AXEFLYERFV

    But I don't think MS used much more than a 50W 1987-model Marshall (sometimes with a half-cocked wah which to focus boost in a particular mid-range spot).
     
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    Well, both Boston and Randy multi tracked guitars for the rhythm.
     
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    Petergrifindor Senior Member

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    With Schenker the pickups he played were Gibson T-Tops, the amp a 50 wats Marshall Plexi, and he had a wah on but stopped on the sweet spot. He thinks the amp settings were probably everything at 10.

    Now he uses a 2205 Marshall 50-watt (Settings: Presence 6, Volume 1, Bass 6, Middle 6, Treble 0, Gain 10). Pickups are the Dean signature and a Dimebag Darrel wah.

    But the thing is really in his fingers. The phrasing, the vibrato, the groove, such a sense of melody.

    The guy is the best rock soloist ever.
     
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  8. Petergrifindor

    Petergrifindor Senior Member

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    For Randy Rhoads

    Amp was a Marshall JMP 1959 100 Watt Superlead
    Settings
    Presence: 5
    Bass: 2
    Mids: 5.5
    Treble: 7
    Volume I: 6
    Volume II: 6

    His speakers were Altec Lansing 417 8-Hs. To me this is the most important part because they sound very different than other speakers.

    MXR Distortion Plus with Output at full and distortion to taste.

    MXR 10 Band Equalizer with these settings

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    Petergrifindor Senior Member

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    By the way, I donĀ“t like Randy Rhoads tone at all. It gets slightly better when he doubled his parts, but I find it very trebly and harsh.

    But oh my God how he played. What a loss. :(
     
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  10. freefrog

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    For Schenker tones: feed a Marshall with a Cry Baby whose "sweep cap" has been changed for a 4,7 nF capacitor. Use it as a cocked wha, almost full up.

    It works for me so it might work for other people. ..
     
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    thatF-INGflyingVguy Senior Member

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    where does he get that tone
    from two places
    the V
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    and from the heavens
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  12. B5Erik

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    But that high end breakup in the distortion - the gaps of silence (the airy part of that tone) are greater and there is an almost percussive tone to the distortion. It almost sounds like something rattling or vibrating really fast - it's a cool sound and can be very effective, depending on the song.

    I've just never been able to get close to it. Like I said before, mike placement on the speaker has a lot to do with it, but even knowing that I can't recreate it.
     
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    Use a lot of mids. Very key ingredient.
     
  14. loverocker

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    For the UFO and MSG1/2 stuff, almost certainly.

    Later (perhaps around the time he went over the 2205 amp) he started to use Schaller pickups. There's an old Guitar World (or other) magazine interview with Schenker and he described how he did a lot of blind testing in a studio with his tech and eventually settled on the Schaller (Golden Era, or something?)
     
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    Correct about the cocked wah. Also he would record a lot with a les paul. Just didn't use them live.
     
  17. DarrellV

    DarrellV Likes > Posts Silver Supporter Premium Member

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    Tom Sholz tonez, LOL!! Good luck! :laugh2:
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    Custom Shop 68 reissue Tom Sholz model...

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    You only need a few of them to sound like him...:wow:
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    Part of Schenker's Tone was the Gibson T-Top Humbuckers in his 70s Flying V. Real T-Tops have a sound all their own.
     

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