Are NCO's considered "enlisted?"

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  1. cherrysunburst00

    cherrysunburst00 Senior Member

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    My googling turned up unsatisfactory results, and I know we gots a lot of vets, so I thought I'd ask the experts.

    Thank you in advance
     
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    Bill Hicklin Senior Member

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    Yes. A noncommissioned officer is an enlisted man with delegated authority, junior to commissioned officers and (in the US) warrant officers.

    (In Britain and the Commonwealth they use the term "Other Ranks" instead of "Enlisted Men." Also, in the Commonwealth system, a warrant officer is a senior NCO)
     
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    cherrysunburst00 Senior Member

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    Thank You, Bill H
     
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    Bill's right. That's how it goes.
     
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    cherrysunburst00 Senior Member

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    Let me say further:

    While commissioned officers are higher in grade (such is the nature of management), there is an enormous respect from the officer corps towards the NCO corps. NCOs are the backbone of our military. They make the gears turn, they keep the machine oiled, and they worry about the details that enable officers to manage successfully. Any officer that doesn't listen to his senior NCOs is a damn fool. There is no substitute for experience, and experience is what NCOs are often so rich in.
     
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    Thumpalumpacus Senior Member

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    The best officers I served under were mustangs themselves ... they'd been NCOs before OCS or Academy.
     
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    also, a NCO can not give a "direct" order, but they can give a "lawful" order. I had one of my troops challenge me on this once. of course, I was right and he never challenged me again. all I ever asked of my guys was that they did their jobs and I backed them up when they needed me to.
     
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    I never gave orders, I gave directives based on the orders issued to me, or instructions based on my assessment of the situation.

    In my short stint as an NCO, I was blessed with willing and able troops.
     
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    I was more of the Beetle Bailey type, but on water.
    Shallow water, at that.
     
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    "Seaman Goldbrick reporting as ordered!"
     
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    cherrysunburst00 Senior Member

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    Wow. I posed a very simple question, and I have learned so very much more. Thank you so very much.
     
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    Greg's Guitars Senior Member

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    NCO's run the Army, officers do the paperwork.....
     
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    Yes, the backbone of the army. Whenever some nco is crossing over the dark side the first question they get is "So, when's the surgery? What surgery? The one to get your spine removed."

    A buddy of mine crossed over from nco to officer. He has had two hernia operations since then.
     
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    Sp8ctre Senior Member

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    Absolutely true and very well put! I retired as SNCO and the good Officers always listened to input from their best NCO's.
     
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    I think it's funny that an O-1 with one day of active service outranks an E-9 with 30 years of service. But what's funnier is that the E-9 will have no trouble putting the O-1 in his/her place!

    (I'm a retired Senior NCO)
     
  17. LtDave32

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    He may outrank an E-9, but look at the pay scale. Takes a jr officer a while to match paychecks with a salty E-9.

    A very senior NCO has goods and services available to him all over the globe. Someone in every nook and cranny in this world owes him something or other. He has the ear of senior officers everywhere, and he can pull favors from the highest rungs of the ladder.

    Certainly not someone a smart man F's with.
     
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    Our band used to play at the Acey Duesy club, the Chiefs club, and the Officers club at the local navy base Pt. Mugu.
     
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    Old first sergeant had his feet on the desk,
    He had a leg lieutenant in the leaning rest!

    --R :D
     
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    and most E7s and E8s are more intimidating than many officers.my old motor pool sergeant could praise you one day and rip you a new one the next with no apparent effort.
     
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