I am not struggling to make anything, you appear to have forgotten to take your meds or can't read...or both. I never said I didnt like them....quite the opposite in fact. Regardless your continued strawman arguments demonstrates that you can't be engaged in an honest conversation...you come at the person in opposition to you with nonsense or by riffing off distortions of what the person said....or coming up with things the person didnt say. That is intellectually dishonest...YOU are intellectually dishonest in this exchange. In other aspects of life you are probably fine but on this subject you simply cannot be trusted. I see no reason to engage a person that cant be honest. I dont care where the guitars or pickups are made...i have chinese made hagstroms (as I have already stated) and I love the things (as I have already stated). My favourite acoustic right now is a 300 dollar hagstrom, it is made in China. I love the way it sounds and feels, but there are some issues that I had to fix: mediocre fret dressing, cheap nut, saddle and pins. Just because you can roll off some users means nothing. Especially since the old Hagstrom company is not the same company we have today. The company went under and the name was purchased and the brand was resurrected. Same can be said for the new Kramer or Schecter companies...a business goes under and later an unrelated group buys the name and brings the name back. This means that you mentioning Zappa's use (I assume you meant Frank) of Hagstrom has nothing to do with anything we are discussing. Dweezil's use of Hagstrom is relevant...and is a testament to how nice these guitars are. One thing though; Dweezil replaces the pickups with Seth Lovers.