An in depth text on AlNiCo magnet grades used in guitar pickups

Discussion in 'Pickups' started by Antigua, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. Antigua

    Antigua Senior Member

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    ...hwat???

    Well, AFAIK, you don't make a living making or selling guitar pickups, so I hope you're not concealing your methods in order to avoid outside review.
     
  2. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    Antigua, you just can't help yourself. You must REALLY love attacking the very people you'd like'em to share the info in their possession.

    How is it working for you so far? ;)
     
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  3. Antigua

    Antigua Senior Member

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    That's the thing... freefrog is not sharing. If a person won't say how they've gathered their info, it's not really "info", it's just an unsourced claim.

    As I'm sure I've remarked to you in the recent past, I'm the last person you should think of lecturing about "sharing", I've shared tons of info, both gathered by myself and others. Even the OP of this thread is a link to a German technical resource that very few people were aware of.

    Calling me a "dick", that's an attack.

    There's a dictionary word for people who do the very thing they accuse others of doing, which I will not use for fear that you will too perceive that observation as an "attack".
     
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    freefrog Senior Member

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    I-Your edited sentence didn’t allow to understand if you consider freefrog as someone…

    a) outside the field of commercial motives;

    b) possibly motivated by profit too.




    II-It’s impossible to see if this phrase…

    a)suggests that freefrog might be a coward / is uncertain of his experiments / is posting unfounded claims;

    b)threatens him of some hostile review in case of disagreement – in a possible hidden attempt to dissuade him to share unwanted findings, actually…




    III-I won't discard what you’re putting online.


    That said…


    It would be easy to check if freefrog shares or not: under this nickname only, various forums have recorded hundreds of replies where I’ve also posted info, trying to help rather than to argue.


    And that’s only a side of my time/money consuming attempts to help people, for free.


    Hence what I've already explained repetitively:

    a)my free time is precious and limited;

    b)while sharing is my goal, arguing endlessly is a luxury that I can’t afford (and that I dislike, anyway).


    Knowing that, see above how your depreciative words have already led me to argue, JUST because I've provided an advice without considering your thread as a proper place for further sharing…




    IV-These words sound like an attempt of rhetoric stranglehold concretizing the II a) above…


    But I wasn’t claiming to post an info. It was a testimonial: IME, the difference between AlNiCo’s can be measured in the dynamic response of pickups through lab tests.


    As you trust only your own experiments, anyway, you should find sooner or later how to check if it’s an unfounded claim, no? Knowledgeable as you are…




    One thing that I don’t find really “scientific” in the GITEC docs is their negatively biased representation of professionals.


    See how a paragraph claims somewhere that my former friend Chris Kinman is unable to do an impedance measurement… while I’ve my own archives various samples of “proprietary information” showing that such “small” winders, can be aware of physics and use lab gear to test their products.


    BTW, I’ve obtained the mentioned “proprietary information” thx to a patient, respectful and friendly relationship with various pickups makers, a bit like Seymour did with Seth Lover.


    It seems that love and open-mind receive more rewards than condescendence and hostility… :)
     
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  5. Antigua

    Antigua Senior Member

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    As usual, your time is precious.. but you nevertheless found enough of it to write a short novel. Brevity might be worth looking into. All I'm seeing is that you still refuse to share the methodology with which you used to come to your stated conclusions. The bottom line is that asking for sources, citations or further clarification is a perfectly normal thing to do.

    In the past, people who make a living off making and selling pickup said refused to share information on account of it giving their competitors a free advantage, and while that point is valid, that informartion must be taken with a grain of salt because, regardless, we have no way to substantiate that information.

    Speaking of Seth Lover and Seymour Duncan, the account from Evan Skopp made it sound that amounted to a rather straightforward endorsement deal https://www.seymourduncan.com/forum...over-pickups&p=3814273&viewfull=1#post3814273 and https://www.seymourduncan.com/forum...ucker-Pickup&p=3139961&viewfull=1#post3139961 Sounds like there wasn't much to it. Honestly, I'm a little sad that Seth's 'guitar with built-in effects' concept wasn't picked up, though.
     
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  6. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    No, I just suggested the change of handle, with "Dick", a christian name that's included in the list of accepted names for call your own son.

    So, using your faulty logic, everybody person in the world called Dick they were so baptised by their parents as a personall attack?

    Also, note the spelling: I wrote "Dick". With a capital "D". Had I written as you did, THEN would've been an attack.

    Looks like your reading skills are not up to par. Not the first time and most probably not the last... ;)
     
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    rockinlespaul Oxblood Addict V.I.P. Member

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    Damn lol.
     
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    So easy to trap some people.....especially those with a genetic predisposition toward kneejerk belligerence.
     
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    Actually what it sounds like is two people who know a lot about pickups being on the same page straight away without having to try to explain the basic things to an ignorant party.
    Which is perhaps why the posts by Freefrog and Cookjuk in this thread (and many other similar in nature) have to be so long.
     
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    Sunday morning release. Family is still sleeping so, finally, I can answer.

    You must be right. :)
     
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    It’s certainly appreciable to see researches about guitar gear published as open sources.

    I’d never be in situation to do the same: it would require to make readable a mass of cryptic data, to obtain an agreement from other people involved and so on…

    I’d find even less free time (and personal motivation) to discuss with contradictors.

    Not to mention that a specialized discourse is never easy to make understandable in forums for musicians. A proper communication would presuppose giant amounts of time and work.

    So, I’m somehow appreciative of published experiments.


    Now and as I said above, I regret to see the only extensive published tech tests subordinated to an angry argumentative intention.


    These last years, various Internet Avatars and/or self promoted specialists have started to post as if they were the neutral spokesmen of physics while, according to their own words, they have huge personal prejudices against winders - that they presuppose ignorant and/or dishonest: see again how Chris Kinman is evoked somewhere in the GITEC docs.

    The same kind of relationship gives dozen of absurd online discussions, where long sententious posts explain how pickups work to people who test pickups for years, &/or have themselves designed/built transducers… unlike their self appointed censors (!). There’s striking examples of that on guitarnutz2 and in most of the discussions involving “Thanaton” on the Duncan forum, when this character hadn’t yet been banned.


    It’s simultaneously amusing & annoying to notice the contradiction embedded in this situation:

    -On one hands, Internet voices who aggressively claim to represent “Science” tend to reduce magnetic transducers to a unified (and therefore potentially procrustean) theoretical model, according to which transducers and their parts make “no difference”. This sentence sounds like a Mantra sometimes.

    -On the other hand, when people discuss the mentioned model or evoke their own heuristic simplifications (as I did above with my inductance and Tesla measurements), their posts are, at best, submitted to a reductionist reading &/or drowned under some oceanic technical (dis)course, apparently dedicated to disqualify them as incompetent. Periodically, this communication seems to attack other persons, with a lack of consideration for other human beings that I’d forbid to myself…

    That’s ALSO because I’m accustomed to see such processes happening that I’ve limited my contributions above to an advice.

    But despite of my prudence, anyone can see how it has turned: freefrog has been submitted to a kind of inquisitorial interrogatory apparently supposed to prove his claims unfounded – if not to disqualify him personally.

    Now, I’ll admit that my “argumentative” answers were not only a way to show where opposite arguments were meanly ambiguous or discussible.

    I was also ‘testing the response” of my contradictor. The results speak for themselves.


    I currently earn my life in a school for future engineers. As such, I think that Science hasn’t to become a weapon dedicated to beat other persons, in a kind of online war game based on a paranoid plot theory.


    IMHO, really credible scientific publications about guitar gear would never be mixed with a polemical attitude. As a matter of fact, once this attitude considered, we have no way to valid published results as being truly objective.


    I’d also recommend the epistemological consciousness of things like this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics)


    Please, forgive any possible syntax error: you know that English is not my mother tonge.

    I wish you all a nice day. :)
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    LtKojak hasn't attacked you and you are misquoting him. Though, if he or anyone else had, I'd say you had it coming.
    I believe that word you were dancing around is "hypocrite" and, quite ironically, you yourself would wear it very well.

    The way you present information, your stubbornness towards criticism on it, and your attacks on the motives and professionalism of others, whom you obviously don't know, are great weaknesses and ultimately prevent you from being taken seriously.


    A thought you might ponder -

    When every room a given person walks into begins to stink, perhaps it's not everyone else who is the a-hole.
     
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    What do you suppose gives rise to those prejudices?
     
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    I don't care if anyone takes me seriously. In the end, the information is there to be evaluated on its own merits. If someone says "I don't believe claim XYZ", I'm more than happy to explain how I arrived at conclusion XYZ.
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    You love to focus on the least significant detail of a post as a response. Tactics like that are why some, including myself, have accused you of trolling.
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Also, I don't believe you. I see a person who wants so very very much to be taken seriously that their own frustration in the lack of that respect clouds their judgment in responses to others.
     
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    Antigua Senior Member

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    Look... these forums are not really the kind of place anyone goes to be "taken seriously".
     
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    cooljuk Transducer Producer Premium Member MLP Vendor

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    Unfortunately, some actually do. ...and, interestingly, a few are even successful at it.

    But what is your goal here, then?
     
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    My goal has already been achieved. I posted a link to a useful scientific resource. Everything else is just a thread bump.
     
  20. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    Yet, here you are...

    That's not what's all about for you. All info you post and link serve the sole purpose to enforce your own, biased narrative. Propaganda anyone...?

    I LOVE when you contradict yourself in the same post. If you don't care being taken seriously, why would you care in doing further explaining? The answer is obvious: by posting technical-sounding babble, you make it look trustworthy to the unaware and/or uninformed. Furthermore, taking Goebble's Propaganda 101 Handbook teachings, you blend a little bit of good info with a heavy dose of the forementioned own, biased narrative just to make it more difficult to separate both. Without ever forgetting to taking jabs of condescension and dismissal to undermine actual winders and/or other people with actual, factual, real knowledge. Then, with a straight face you say you don't care? That's the very quintaessence of sheer hipocresy.

    Basically, you're the Infowars in the topic of pickups. At this point, I've found the perfect handle describing your very essence: Dick, the Guitar Pickup Alchemist, Fake News Extraordinaire. I got a suitable phrase for your signature: "Paving the road to Hell with (allegedly) good intentions, one user at the time". If you don't like this one I have another one: “Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter-accusations. Demand proof". I'm certain you're fond of the latter, am I right? ;)
     
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