Alnico IV vs Unoriented Alnico V

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  1. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    Hi fellow toanfreakz :h5:

    I currently have some A4 mags in the stock pickups in my Al-2000. The experimental side of me :hmm: went and ordered an A2/A5 set of mags. As I was reviewing my order I realized that the A5 is in fact an unoriented A5 :shock:

    SO

    I was wondering if some of you fellow magnet swappers could tell me what sort of changes to expect by switching from A4 to A2 in the neck, and A4 to unoriented A5 in the bridge.

    Thanks!:thumb:
     
  2. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    Anybody have experience with these magnets?
     
  3. SKATTERBRANE

    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    This is one thing I really do not understand. There is another thread about someone asking what will happen if he puts in gold plated pole screws he has. In the time it often takes to get an answer, you could have actually done the swap and heard for yourself. Why does getting opinions about something that you could just do that does not take much time or money, and you already have the parts to do, so important?

    Just do it, then if you feel the need tell US how the tone was altered, if you liked it or not.

    I can see asking this question if you want to know before spending a lot of money or doing something that is very time consuming or difficult, to avoid unnessessary expenditure, but something like this could have been done, and then returned to stock 4 or 5 times in the 24 hours between your posts.
     
  4. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    The magnets are in the mail, I was just wondering in the meantime. I figured that this forum would be more than happy to discuss this topic.

    I will certainly report back after the swap.
     
  5. captcoolaid

    captcoolaid Senior Member

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    Call the place you placed the order from and ask. I have no idea either. Would love to know tho.


    Un-ORIENT-ed = not from the orient:laugh2::laugh2:
     
  6. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    :lol: I will definitely report back.

    I dig the A4s, but the bridge pup could use a bit more power and punch. I heard that A5 is a more aggressive magnet, and well A2 has been used in the neck many a times with successful results (so I hear) so I figured I'd give it a shot.
     
  7. SKATTERBRANE

    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    A2 will have more compression and feel softer than A4s, the A4s tend to be more articulate. An unoriented 5 will be very close to an A4, the normal oriented 5 will feel harder and be more dynamic and have a bit more extended frequency response. This is very general, and much of it depends on the guitar it is going in.
     
  8. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    Will the unoriented A5 increase the output over the A4? It sounds like I might just leave the A4s in and save the new mags for a project down the road.
     
  9. SKATTERBRANE

    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    Yes, even an unoriented A5 is stronger than a A4. Heck, a A2 or A3 is stronger than a A4. But there is more tone than mere output.
     
  10. mintcobra

    mintcobra Senior Member

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    Of course there's more to tone than output, I'm just saying I could use a bit more output. Is that such a crime?
     
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    SKATTERBRANE Banned

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    A2 and A5 will give you more output.
     
  12. PINKBITS

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    The AIV's certainly work well in those Benwabranes of yours, Rod.

    Perfect, IMO :cool:.
     
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    Skatt...seems like a good question to me.
     
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    It is a good question, I thought the OP already had the magnets, so I thought it would be far more informative for the OP just to do the swap and then report to us, rather than to ask others what to expect. Sorry.
     
  15. mintcobra

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    ^It's all good, man:thumb:
    Mags came in today so I should be swapping tonight, hopefully with some clips!
     
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    keep us posted!!
     
  17. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    This is just NOT true.

    If you provide me with an e-mail address (PM me if you so wish), I'll send you an Excel file from the italian magnet factory I've dealt with in the past with the AlNiCo grades they make (they make'em all but UnOriented A5), so you can see the differences for yourself.

    HTH,
     
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    IME AIII is the weakest
     
  19. chipper

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    Interesting, I'll start by saying I actually haven't got a clue, but I read somewhere that AIV's are the weakest. I also read that AIV isn't actually a proper specification and therefore varies a lot between manufacturers. BTW I'm not trying to disagree with you, just interested in this magnet thing.
     
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    That rumour depends on a old story in 70ies that says that weaker A5 (out of facory specs) were specified as A4's at the factory. The nowadays A4 are in a wide range of ingredients but easy to reckognize as A4.
     

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