Alnico 2 -vs-Alnico 5

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  1. JLH

    JLH Senior Member

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    Any Alnico 2 fans out there ???????
    I have recently been trying some A 2 pickups in guitars that have A 5 pickups in them, I am finding that the A 2's are less brittle and have a very very nice smooth fat tone, any one else been through this ?:slash:
     
  2. Fixxxer

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    Yeah, I really like A2'a better for me at least. Their a few pups where A5's sound just as good to me, but I like A2's allot.
     
  3. JLH

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    Fixxxer, what A2's do you have ????????
     
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    a2; fat, thick and dense. The perfect jazz magnet asnd with the right winding it sounds killer specially for neck pos.
     
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    Jeff, Your not going to stop until I have every pickup made! Right?

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  6. JLH

    JLH Senior Member

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    Jeff, our paths have crossed before in our relentless tone quest and no doubt will continue as we are on the same path together, aint it fun :), I always enjoy our discussions and appreciate your input, Quest on Bros. Right !!!!!
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  7. Fixxxer

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    I have 2 sets of GW bridges one with an A5 and another with an A2 (covered). They are great in different applications, but I gravitate to the A2 sounds.

    I also had a set of 57 classics that I loved, and I have a set of 2002 Burstbuckers that I thought were 57's and those are the best sounding burstbuckers I have ever owned and they have A2's.

    I find the A5's to be a little harsh at times, but are great for some metal / rock stuff, but I am weird and like my metal tones with ceramics (a8) or A2's. I like the amp to drive the stuff and use different tunings. A2's tuned to flat for me is pure heaven.

    I can ramble for days, but I will say it depends, but I like A2's better:laugh2::naughty:
     
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    What would be hotter than Alnico II pro PUs? Are 57s considered hotter than Alnico Pro II?
     
  10. JLH

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    I will measure a set, as I have a set of 57's, I did not know they ( Gibson 57 classics) were Alnico 2's. The Pro's are what got me into this mess !!!!!!, I had all A 5 pups and as Fixxxer decribed, are just a bit harsh sometimes
    But it may take a day or two, someone else here know????????
    I think that "hotter" is not what makes a good Alnico 2 Pickup, it seems that mid 8's DCR is what makes a good A2 pup -vs- high 8's amd 9's seam to make a A5 work, allthough over time, I have realized that hotter pickups are not what I like, mid to high 8's I am finding work best, let the amp drive the pickup
     
  11. Fixxxer

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    Your going through everything I went through. I think it takes a while to really dial in an A5 pup. That is, when you are out at a friends house, if you play 2 guitars one wiht A5 and one with A2 you will need to change the presence (if you have it) trebles and mids, making it a nuisance if you are OCD about the tonal differences.

    I find pups wound in the range you mention are my favorite, and cover EVERYTHING from blues to rock, to metal.

    To compensate for a lack of A5, this is where an overdrive plays a more critical role. With an A2, get something with a nice midrange hump and you can mimic an A5 with an A2.......:hmm:

    Keep us posted with what you do...and BTW Gibson Alnico Pro's are horrible to my ears.... at least in comparison to SD's and boutique guys:dude:
     
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    Frankly, BurstBucker Pros should be banned. They aren't musical at all, They don't have a sweet spot, and you can't even hear any bottom end, which really pisses me off, being a LP lover. How good are SD Alnico II Pro's in a Les Paul? Anyone here know?
     
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    Slash seems to like them a bit....
     
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    I just bought a SD APH1 uncovered Neck from Martin Six string for my 80 LP..

    I should have it by Thursday so I'll post some clpis over the W/E

    I A/B'd the II's and V's at used axe stores and the II's seemed warmer then the V's
    with a more bluesy feel and more responsive when you roll the vol back to clean it up

    you can get a nice warm skynrd type sound from them without too much aggresion or bite. and they still do chicago blues and countyr stuff on the clean side

    I thought I had BB'1 in my 02 but just leanred last week that they are Pros.
    I have a love hate relationship with them. the Bridge is over trebly but still sounds cool sorta 50's vintage with a good classic rock Free, Zep type tone with OD. but it has a bite/sizzle that bother me

    and the neck is lil dark and a tad on the muddy side but at the same time the notes are diffinitive and fat


    I cant figure those out but i dont plan on changing htem any time soon
     
  15. JLH

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    The Duncan A2 Pros are great in a Les Paul, they really cut through the mix, I got a set of custom wound Alnico 2's patterned after the classic 57's from Kevin at Guitar Force, these are really really nice, WB is spinning me a set of Alnico 2's patterned after the Habebero's, I have a new favorite magnet, Alnico 2.
    Ask Weldaar ( Flegler), I got him bit on these and now he is an A2 man, Hey,Weldaar: what do you think of the A2's

    The Duncans (A2 Pro's) are very good pickups and if you can find a set on the shelf, its a no brainer !!!!!! Fat Ass Tone
     
  16. Weldaar

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    This Rockdriver floored me. I still like the Rebel II bridge, but I am liking the RD too. They both have thick creamy mids, tight bass response, and sweet highs. Surprisingly for an A-5, the Rebel II is very middy, not harsh at all. I posted clips of the Rockdriver and Rebel II on Kevin's site.
    GUITARFORCE Custom Pickups
     
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    Im all for Alnico 2s because Slash uses 'em. :laugh2:
     
  18. Anchorman

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    I had BBPros (A5) and found them harsh, though I wouldn't say 'non-musical'.

    Then I changed to Wolfetone DrV (A2) and noticed a great improvement in terms of smoothness and classic rock tones . . . .although . . I did crave greater clarity, especially in the neck.

    I changed these for a set of WB 6707 greens (A5) and got clarity in bucketloads. In fact the bridge is a little too trebbly and I'm considering swapping the magnets from the wolfes to the WBs . . :hmm:

    Crazy? Probably
     
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    Just the other day I was having a discussion about magnet formulas. My friend said all the early 50's pickup magnets were Alnico 2's. That seem reasonable? Could be one of the reasons I prefer 50's P90's over anything else.
     
  20. Kramble

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    I swapped Al2 magnet with another Al2 one in pickups and the sound was different.
    So I guess you can't compare Al2 with each.
     

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