A "real" 1968 Gibson SG Standard (modified)

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  1. SoloDallas

    SoloDallas Senior Member

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    I'm quite sure you have an earlier model then. Good for you!
    These are good. Very, very good. This design - the large pickguard - started in small numbers in 1966. You definitely have a late '66 early '67 (I'd dare say) :dude:
     
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    I just love to play them....and be sure I'm getting the real deal... THAT IS PARAMOUNT for me. After the 72 ordeal. I make sure 1) it is what I am told and I take all the time in world checking, and 2) I like the way it plays. I am a player. Have been playing guitar for over 40 years and if I can't play it I will probably not buy no matter how rare.,, By the way, I have a home in Italy too! Ciao!
     
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    It is the same, exact thing for me. Word by word.
    I got fooled a couple of times with these. That's why the origin of this post.
    Since then - since the deed - I always am on the lookout. On gbase they still advertise two or three vintage SGs - late 60s - as '68s, but they clearly aren't.

    I am a player too.
    BTW, here's a crazy video of me playing that '68 above:

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYkd_Pe_z9M]YouTube - ‪AC/DC "Shoot To Thrill" (SoloDallas', New Series)‬‎[/ame]

    If by any mean you like AC/DC, I kindly ask you to watch it.

    PS where is your house located here in Italy?
     
  4. Les Paw

    Les Paw Senior Member

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    Auguri !! Just watched it!!
     
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    By the way, I called them out on a few on Gbase... I was looking for a LP custom, 1968 or 69 and a few dealers there had them listed. After getting all the pics and the info, I told them I was amazed they get away with listing them as they do!! One actually did pull one and then posted it on Ebay with all the info different.... I cought it there too!
    Adesso devo andare!! Ci vediamo piu tardi!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Did the same some time ago (caught one and had it pulled)- Hehe.

    Ciao e grazie, talk later if you want.
     
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    Both of my '68 Standards have this same heel, and the deeper cut horns as in the other picture. The pot codes are also '68.

    Nice SG's Dallas.
     
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    Thanks John. So this guitar might be a '68 and not a '69.
    Here's the cut horns, look like yours?
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    Yeah, looks like mine.

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    John, do you have a "front" pic of yours? Yours looks a tad different. I could see yours is a true '68, while I believe mine is a '69. Despite the fact that the pot codes are '68 on mine - too - I believe mine is a '69. I can't explain why I believe so, it's a foolish guts feeling.
    Bear in mind that this is not so important. It's only a year difference, but I'd love to be able to amass knowledge on these subtle differences.

    (thanks John)

    BTW

    This is what mine sounds like.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9lAzIbS5kc[/ame]
     
  11. SG John

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    Here's a couple shots of one of my '68 Standards. I have another that's buried right now. I'll try to dig it out t omorrow. It's serial number is 120 higher than this one.

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    Here's a couple of shots of my '69 Junior.

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  12. SoloDallas

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    John: THANKS very much for taking the time.
    The more cutaways I see, the more I am puzzled by their subtle differences. Impressive :)

    PS lovely geetars!
     
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    What's the color on the Standard called, walnut? Sorry I have no idea of Vintage SG's though I'd love to own one.
     
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    Gonzo, we could standardize the color on Vintage SGs depending on eras:
    - early '60 ('61-'64): Cherry (red)
    - mid '60s: still cherry, getting darker as years go towards the late '60s
    - mid to late '60: with pickguard style change (small to large) dark cherry is introduced
    - late '60s early '70s ('69-'71): dark cherry turns into walnut

    PS: these are only based on my own research, I might be wrong, I may be not considering custom colors, I might be unaware of how things really went. This is all a process of mine to learn for passion. The more info, the better. I'm open to learning on a daily basis.
     
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    This is my other '68 Standard. I'm sure the subtle differences were the result of whoever was doing the handwork on the guitars. The less pronounced bevel came at the same time as the "bat-wing" pickguard. The reduction in process time that came with the new pickguard was also translated to the luthiers to put less effort into the horns. Even now, the VOS and Custom Shop models don't even come close to the originals. The '61 Reissues look like a 1 inch chisel at the tip of each horn.

    As for color, I always thought it was a cherry, or dark cherry. The '69 Junior seems more of a wine red to me. Close to a Pinot Noir, but not as dark as a Burgundy or Merlot.

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    Both '68 heels look like this:

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    So I guess the one I designated as a '69 is a '68, John. Pot codes are '68s and the guitar has the exact same features as yours.

    It was actually sold to me as a '68, but upon receiving it - since the cutaways and the heel are identical to another one which is instead really a '69, I thought I had been steered.
     
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    After further research, it appears that SGs with the heel I supposed was a '69, are indeed '69.
    However, I just found a '69 SG with a '67/'68 heel.
    ALL features in this '69 point to '68 (heel, logo, crown, beveling) but serial points undoubtedly to '69.
    Strangest bird.

    I bought it :D
     
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    All nice guitars.
     
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    i just took in so much knowledge! i envy you gentlemen for having guitars in such wonderful condition! dallas, your collection is incredible, leave some on the market for me! haha
     
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    Ace: thank you! For some reason, there's a lot of SGs for sale right now. Some are good "issue" bargains! Thank you ;)
     

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