97 Epiphone les paul maple body and neck?!?

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  1. Norton

    Norton Senior Member

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    so I just stumbled onto a too cheap not to take home epi les paul. It's an odd one. Solid one piece maple - with a bit of curl and figure and a maple neck.

    It's on the lighter side of middle weight but is a snarly snappy sounding guitar. Pickups have a very light stamp/engraved epiphone logo on the lower right side of the baseplate.

    Looks like it's got a separate maple cap and an insanely figured maple face. Can't tell if it's a veneer....

    It's a factory 2nd 97 saein factory.

    Body is aggressively carved with a deep dished edge and the cutaway is a bit sharper than the norm. Long tenon neck set but with deeper pickup routs at the sides of the neck tenon.

    So strange. Anyone have similar odd experiences with guitars from
    This era?
     
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    Are maple bodies common from this era?

    Any ideas on the pickups? It's all stock, at this point
     
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    Doesn't Epiphone veneer all their tops?
     
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    I think they do these days....at least I've seen veneer when stripping solid color lp's in the past three years or so.

    But this weirdo guitar is from 1997.
     
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    They didn't use real flamed maple caps in 1997 - they never did

    even the few real maple caps are covered with veneer

    never heard of any 'one piece' or massive maple body on an Epiphone LP

    if it were a maple body it wouldn't be on the 'lighter side' I guess

    btw I've never seen this kind of 'long tenon' on an Epi

    a pic like the one below would show us more.....
    pickup-cavity.jpg
     
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    Yeah the neck joint is an odd one. The straight on pic I have didn't show the squared off block as clearly.

    "Real maple caps?" I don't understand.

    The body sure looks like maple and Is definitely 1 piece. Not that it matters. It's just uncommon. You'd think it would be a hefty one but it's not. I'm guessing straight up 8 lbs.

    There's also clearly a cap of some kind on top of the body that you can see in the cutaway under the binding.

    Super strange.

    Any idea What pickups were they putting in these guitars in the late 90's?
     
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    Is your bridge on backwards? Take a look at the saddle notches. Are they the same width/depth, or are they different?

    I know that's not what your asking about, i just happened to notice it in the pics.

    As for the body being one-piece (except for the cap)... take a close look at the end-grain, if it is visible on the sides. Epiphones have veneered backs, as well. I have a couple with backs so nice, I can't believe that they were underneath a solid-color paint job.
     
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    Yes the bridge is on with the saddle screws facing the tailpiece.

    End grain sure looks like one piece of wood. Doesn't look like a veneer.
     
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    Post pics of the front and back of the headstock if you dont mind. This is intriging.
     
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    In the marketing language of Epiphone it translates like:

    Flamed maple top = veneer over another non specified wood
    curved maple top or hard maple top = real maple cap, covered with veneer for the flame look

    as said before....

    words of a one-piece Epi tells nothing
    a picture of the pickup cavity clears most of the ongoing myths.....
     
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    Where do you exactly see a maple body and a maple neck? :)

    Do you believe that if it's a real maple top they were spraying the control cavity with black? Eh eh...jokes apart. If this is a maple cap (but it is not), if you sand that black paint from the control cavity, you should see the same flames you have on the top side. In a real maple cap guitar, the control cavity floor is the bottom of the cap.

    [​IMG]

    Same goes for the body. I see no maple into those pup cavities.
     
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    I posted pics of the body. It's clearly one piece of wood and if you Zoom in you can see a grain pattern that Sure looks like maple. The grain clearly carries uninterrupted through the end grain and to the vertical edges of the body.

    The strangeness of the guitar is one reason I had to pick it up. I mean aside from it being so crazy cheap.

    I did a little pickup cavity scrape and it's definitely a veneer'd top. The cap over the body is much softer than the veneer, which is kind of funny. Maybe basswood?

    The pickups are a bit strange too. 8.1k and 8.3k With the neck being slightly hotter. I was expecting something closer to the "hotch" hot pickups.

    I'll grab some more pics and post them this am.

    Any idea When Gibson started to bring their mik runs into spec?
     
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    pickup-cavity.jpg
    We need a pic like this ^^
     
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    My '97 Epi LP has a 2 piece back... (2 pieces of veneer) :facepalm:. You have to really look closely at the grain to see it. Sneaky Koreans. The body is 4 or 5 pieces, like a butcher block with veneer on top. I can almost guarantee that yours is NOT maple. My neck also "looks like" maple but is the ubiquitous Asian mystery wood.
    I got it cheap and it plays like butter . No one else ever looks inside it so I really don't care. Plays better than one of my Gibby's.
     
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    I don't know what you're seeeing in the posts where you request pics, but I see this:
    IMG_0216.jpg
     
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    I saw this...
    pickup-cavity.jpg
     

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