498T/490R pickups?????

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  1. skindley

    skindley Premium Member

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    different winds on the lead pickup versions
    different coil material
    different pole material
    different slug material
    different slug dimensions
    different Q-Factor
    different DC Resistance
    different resonant frequencies
    one is 4 wire poly, one is 2 wire braided

    Yeah right! Exactly the same. If one is deaf and blind I suppose.
     
  2. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    My claim was a 490r and a 57 classic were the same and they are. Both come in single conductor and 4 conductor btw. I don't care what anyone believes because I'm not selling these. Gibson marketing wants you to believe this stuff.
    I did mention that a 490t is a t spaced or trembucker version of 57 plus.
     
  3. LtKojak

    LtKojak Senior Member

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    Yes, you have.

    However, the description published tells otherwise. :hmm:
     
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  4. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    My claim has been provin fact and the 490t is just my opinion.
     
  5. skindley

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    I think your claim was a little broader considering the first post I quoted above but ... DC Resistance and Resonant Frequency alone prove the pickups are different. Not the same.
     
  6. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    You really think the 490r and the 57 Classic are not the same pickup? Ok your right.
     
  7. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    Here you go I love this guy he ohms the pickups

    Gibson USA 490T Treble Humbucker Bridge Guitar Pickup PU 4015 | eBay


    hey what do you know? Those 490ts run 8.16k? Thats well... its like a 57 Plus reading I find them from Low 8k to 8.5k just like 57 classic plus but on a T for Treble or Trembucker whatever you like to call it coil and plate.

    Can they do that? make the same pickup like a JB in regular and Trembucking space? Do you think they could do that to a 59? Even a Gibson 57 Classic??? Nah..
     
  8. Batman

    Batman Senior Member

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    Carry the analysis all the way through there Spock; don't just focus on what you want to see to support your hypothesis.

    Different coil material
    Different pole material
    Different slug material
    Different slug dimensions
    Different Q-Factor
    Different DC Resistance
    Different resonant frequencies

    Therefore different.
     
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  9. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    Im sure they are :)
     
  10. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    This has been real fun guys and I like this playground a lot :)

    I gotta go do my chores though mom is calling. One rule I live by is that Gibson is a guitar company not a pickup company so I throw their pickups out because they suck anyway and use Duncans because they are a pickup company. Same with Fenders. :)

    See you guys soon. :thumb:
     
  11. Batman

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    Smug and self-righteous. . .wonderful. :rolleyes:
     
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  12. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    I like to call it fun loving and jolly but you know... You say tomato I say tomato :)
     
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  13. snaredrum

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    You've provided no evidence to back up your claim, and have ignored the pile of evidence to the contrary.

    Do better, or stop.
     
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  14. donnycraven

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    Seriously? OK. I will be to busy out shopping for Gibson's complete tonal array of a 57 Classic and a 490r anyway. :rolleyes:
     
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    Is busy a shop?That does,t make scents.

    No t sure what you mean they're.
     
  16. donnycraven

    donnycraven Senior Member

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    You guys were bored till I came along huh? There was a void in my life too :)
     
  17. Jnorm

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    Might as well throw this out there for giggles and what not.....below is the Gibson "take" on the 490 from their Gibson store :

    Product Description

    The mid to late 1960s saw the emergence of a very different type of music coming from the clubs of England. It was an interpretation of the blues that hadn’t been heard before, and it was much harder, more rocking, and definitely louder than anything else before it. As such, this new genre’s players were demanding more powerful amplifiers with increased volume outputs to satisfy their sonic explorations. This led to a call for a more versatile pickup that could split coils through a push/pull knob, and prevent microphonic feedback from occurring when the volumes were turned up to maximum levels. Gibson answered this call with the introduction of the revolutionary 490T and 490R pickups (“T” for treble, and “R” for rhythm), which has the traditional characteristics of the original “Patent Applied For” pickups, but with two key modifications. First, a four-conductor wiring scheme allows the 490s to be connected to any push/pull knob, which lets players split the coils and increase versatility. Gibson also introduced wax potting, which does away with any air space, minimalizing microphonic feedback. The 490R is a humbucker with the tonal characteristics of an original PAF, with a slight increase in upper mid-range response. The 490T bridge pickup is calibrated to match the 490R, with pole pieces aligned a little further apart to accommodate the spacing of the strings at the bridge, which is different than the spacing of the strings at the neck.
     
  18. CheopisIV

    CheopisIV Copper Slinger MLP Vendor

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    These threads are funny. If you want to only look at the winds count and type, they're identical, absolutely 100% the same thing. But if you want to look at the rest of the stats/specs (or maybe even open a few up) they're completely different animals. Those Res Freq numbers tell a whole story all by themselves if you know what they mean.

    That said, I also like most 490R/T (modern T-Tops) and never much liked any of the 57 Classics I've played around with aside from one early 90's set that I kept. The R/T are identical to each other side from pole spacing by the way; it'd be an anomaly to find a 490T with 57+ DC...but we all know anomalies do exist.

    I don't get the constant misinformation passed on as fact by some folks, but I saw bigfoot the other day so am busy trying to get a pic and must step out. Carry on...
     
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  19. donnycraven

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    I hear ya the fact they have the same magnet, ohm the same and sound the same is not the point here. They don't have the same name.
     
  20. Jnorm

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    That was you?
     
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