2017 Historics - The Year That Wasn’t

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by Dilver, Feb 10, 2018.

  1. JeffH66

    JeffH66 Pelham Blue Addict Premium Member

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    And here I am having just purchased a 2011 57' RI. It's my first historic in a dozen years. Honestly, I can't keep all of what Gibson is doing straight; all of the spec changes and different names for what is essentially the same guitar. KISS isn't just a glam metal band from the 70's, it's a business model that Henry and Gibson should get back to, IMO.

    I'll just stick with the "if it play's and feels great then its a great guitar.
     
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  2. Dilver

    Dilver Senior Member

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    That rule doesn't change - ever. You'll drive yourself nuts following all these specs and hoping for the latest "best" version. Some of the best bands in the world made some of the best rock recordings using Norlin-era Gibsons (not that there's anything wrong with that ; )
     
  3. dleake

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    I'm currently on the hunt for a 2017 as I really dig the ambered binding and ambered gibson logo that they stopped doing for 2018. Was always something I liked about the TH's and was happy to see it on the 17's. To me those two things and the light backs on the 18's are the biggest distinctions between the 2017's and 2018's. I'm in Canada and when searching our big box store Long & McQuade I found numbers 8 7045, 8 7046 and 8 7064. They're all in Faded Tobacco finish.
    https://www.long-mcquade.com/96167/...e--87045---Faded-Tobacco.htm#GibsonCustom-tab
     
  4. Dilver

    Dilver Senior Member

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    Really interesting post... VERY early 17 serial numbers, but more subtle flame and what appear to be pretty red backs - could just be the photos, but the back on my 17 is noticeably darker.
     
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    dleake Senior Member

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    Also easy to tell a 2017 from late in the run as they'll have the new lighter Gibson Custom sticker on the pickguard.
     
  6. THDNUT

    THDNUT Senior Member

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    I hate plaintops, they have too much figure.


    Give me a flame top any day.


    :dunno:
     
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  7. Clint

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    Yes, 2017 was sort of a screwball year. To top it off, they decide to toss in Brazilian rosewood fretboards on a few towards the end of the year. I remember when you could associate various years with specific specs. Lately it's been all over the place and almost impossible to keep track of. It looks like they are trying to simplify things with the 2018 models but who knows.
     
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  8. dleake

    dleake Senior Member

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    The 2017 R9's with the lowest serial numbers came out towards the end of 2017. Weird.
     
  10. DrSte31n

    DrSte31n Senior Member

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    I believe low serial numbers were reserved for special runs, like the Brazilian Rosewood guitars.
     
  11. Duane_the_tub

    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    Also, 2017 was definitely one of the "Good Wood Years," right up there with 1997, 2002, 2007 and 2014 (or is it '13? I can never remember).
     
  12. lunchbox

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    Cool guitar, but that is not a plain top.
     
  13. Dilver

    Dilver Senior Member

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    60F69989-5723-441F-A47C-9068C8F9028D.jpeg I
    (Sigh) Tell that to Gibson. That’s why I said “some were flametops that we’re super flamey”. I understand that a plaintop means it has a plain top... hence the name plaintop.
     
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  14. DarthPaul

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    87541_lg6.jpg 2018-02-12 23.17.37.jpg 2018-02-12 14.39.09.jpg 2018-01-25 10.54.08.jpg 20180216_090342-1.jpg I purchased one of the "Faded Orange Burst" '58 Standards from Wildwood.
    "The story" goes that the Custom Shop overproduced a run of CC#29s (Tamio Okuda). They didn't know what to do with them, so Wildwood made a deal with the Custom Shop to change the pickups (and maybe some plastics) and stamp them as 1958 Standards. I will say that my research confirms what I was told byut I was denied reiteration of it in the form of email upon request. I am supposed to maintain that it's "just a story" so the boat doesn't get rocked. I probably shouldn't say much more. Maybe it's true, maybe not. Have a look for yourself.
    This guitar definitely veers into the True Historic spectrum, IMO. The neck measurements are .88 - .99, definitely more in line with a '59 and exactly the same as the neck on two different Slash First '58 Standards.
    I am very happy with it, regardless of the "story".
     
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  15. Dilver

    Dilver Senior Member

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    What exactly are the features that define it as a repurposed CC#29?
     
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    this is where I bought my Slash VOS 58, funny, the salesmen go insane over the same guitar you posted in your link, they all friggin' love the feel and sound of that guitar
     
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  17. DarthPaul

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    The original CC stamp is still faintly visible and the area has been refinished.

    The gold pearl Gibson logo.

    The color "Faded Orange Burst" was only available on these models. Also a dead-ringer for the "Okuda Burst"

    Aged cellulose nitrate fret inlays.

    The neck specs are identical to CC29.

    The binding is .040 Historic Reissue cream.

    '59 Historic jackplate.

    I am absolutely convinced that it's a Tamio Okuda Collector's Choice #29 with a 5 digit '58 stamp. The pickups are debatable as I have already purchased a guitar from WW that had the pickup specs wrong online.
     
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  18. Olli

    Olli Senior Member

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    Nice peek-a-boo flame happening there - I like it

    :beer:
     
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  19. SlyStrat

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    OP: I love your LP.
     
  20. Dilver

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    Thx! Me too. Sometimes I just like to chill with it.
     

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