2017 Custom Shop Les Paul Standard vs Historic Reissue

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  1. Andy California

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    Alright.
     
  2. Roshy Boy

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    Maybe the '17s are a way of clearing out the reissue parts inventory? Gibson lumped all the R's under one label, "Standard". However, the serial number still identifies the "R" year.

    Commingling TH parts with SH parts is fine. They're all good parts. In reality, these are still reissues, even if not officially labeled as such. Standard, Historic, Reissue, Smishissue, Whateverissue, Myissueisbetterthanyourissue. They're all top of the line Gibsons.
     
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    Exactly. It seems to me that some people confuse a term "reissue" with "historically accurate", which is a BS anyway, as, from what I gather, pretty much no Historics have ever been 100% historically accurate.
     
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    I think too some folks are upset who bought TH's at crazy high prices, because Gibson pull d a fast one an put TH plastics and p/u covers on 2017 Standards. Thus lowering the value of their TH's.

    Then you have guys who bought 2016 R's who could have waited a year and paid the same price for one with TH parts.

    Then you have guys like me who bought "used", but really new and got great deals on 2016's who don't give a rip about plastics and corners on pickups.

    Gibson has made for some great threads over the past couple of years.
     
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    Totally. I don't care about the plastics or any of the TH "specs", so when buying my guitar I picked 2016 even though could I have had the 2017.
     
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    Cool. I got both my TH at the lower price than the standard Reissues and haven't looked back since. IMO once people go True Historic or Historic Makeover there's simply no comparison to the stock reissues
     
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    Actually that's not correct.
    The 2017s are the same construction (including hide glue top) as the THs. But the don't have double carved tops and wet sand finishes. That's the only difference.
    Plastics are TH as well.
    The 2016s are more than 2013s/14s. No hide glue top, no TH plastics.

    And yes the 2017s are "Historics" or "Reissues"!
    The 2015 CS line was for many not, due to the different tenon. Ok I do get that!
    But I can't understand why some people claim the 2017s not to be Historics.
     
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    You forgot a few things...Frets are not as deep on a TH, holley veneer on the headstock is thinner and the edges are broken on the headstock... The horn carve is also said to be different on the THs... does anyone know if they maintained that on the 2017s?
     
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    Ok the THs are more true than the 2017s.
    The point I wanted to make is that they are not 2016s and that they are Historics.

    As far as I know and what I can see is that the horn has the deeper cut.
     
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    Actually 2017s did not officially debut until months into 2017, and 2016 spec Historics were dated and released as 2017s, the official 2017s were not released as "Historics", they were released as "Custom Shop Standards" and they are a few without TH plastics and others with TH plastics. And they are not "Historics" or Gibson would have released them as such.
     
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    OMG are you serious? Because Gibson doesn't call them Historics anymore and now calls them LP Standards they are no longer Reissues? That's ridiculous!

    These guitars are built the same way as always, even more accurate (hide glue top) than the 13s/14s. And because Gibson changes wording and marketing you think these are no longer Reissues or Historics?
    Come on!
     
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    Yup.:D
     
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    14s had the hyde glue tops...
     
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    Yeah, this is all absurd. I own one of these 2017 Custom Shop LP Standards (58) with the True Historic plastics, hide glued top and fretboard, etc. It's friggin' stamped R8 in the control cavity. It has a 2017 serial number (and it's a fairly low number), but I suppose it's possible it was built in 2017. I was in The Music Zoo a few weeks ago and got to play a mess load of Historic Reissues from various years, including 2017's. As far as build quality, tone, playability and finish, the 2017's are just as much Historic Reissues as previous years, if not more. I don't really care what they're called - these are the things that matters most to me
     
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    I don't know nuttin' about nuttin', but I do know my 2017 Custom Shop Standard came with a document inside the case signifying it is a "Gibson Historic"

     
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    Just the mention of TH parts and hide glue, and this thread came to life:hyper:
     
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    It may not reach 90 pages, but what the hell:D
     
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    No... they did not. Only horsie glue on the board and neck pocket.
     
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