2017 Brazilian R9s

Discussion in 'Historics & Reissues' started by BigDipper15, Oct 26, 2017.

  1. BigDipper15

    BigDipper15 Hack Guitarist Premium Member

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    Won't lie I would love one of these. Money not the issue. Just can't imagine 10k tied up in one guitar. Plus I'm not going to leave it in the case as a collectors piece. I gig all my stuff so it would be played. Plus I really stopped dropping cash on gear like its going out of style. My money goes into lessons and such. I have all the gear I could ever need and becoming a better player is far more important at this point than gear chasing..that being said who knows. Maybe I buy one in the next batch.
     
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  2. jamman

    jamman Premium Member

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    IMO, the new BRW Gibson are directly focused at the 2003 used market . Priced as the are ,to make buying new , at the ~ same price for a figured top 2003 R9 worth considering .
    If your look at spending this kind of $$$ IMO you'd look at New everyday .
    We buy R9/R0's mostly because of the top ... with our eyes ....
    Prices will go up ..wait and watch . Once they start flowing ... it's like a fish on a hook ... Try and get off ...:laugh2:
    Sure ,we'll buy just 1 Historic . as we told ourselves the 1st time before we bought it .
     
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  3. abracadaben

    abracadaben Senior Member

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    Next year Honduran mahogany?
     
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  4. Tim Plains

    Tim Plains Senior Member

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    Apples & oranges. I was referring to new. A new Brazilian r9 vs a new replica or buying a R9 plus RDS.

    Braz and no sheath were the two big things or reasons to not buy a Gibson before today. What's really left that Gibson can't provide, old growth and a nitro formula? That's really not enough to veer away from Gibson anymore. Not to mention Mark did post that any dealer can order these, and CD did post on the other forum that Gibson has supply, so we may see a lot, who knows.
     
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    Thats cool. I still don't see it killing that market.
     
  6. RAG7890

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    ..........everything old is new again.

    I just thought of something funny, a lot of members that said BRW wasn’t important will probably now buy one of these. :laugh2: :laugh2:

    :cheers2:
     
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    goldtop0 Senior Member

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    I'm surprised that Braz is back:wow:
     
  8. RAG7890

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    IMHO I don't think this will have much impact on HM or the Replicas builders.

    The better Replicas use old Wood & the quality is better............& the aging is light years ahead of of what TM / in house Gibson do.

    Yes you could do a M2M but that will cost even more with BRW & still does not address some of the more desirable features.

    With a HM, as many have said, the total cost will be lower & you get the advantage of way better aging / Nitro.

    On the flip side the advantage of a Gibson with a BRW Board is resale / ease of resale. Many are not in to Replicas & want a "real' Gibson.

    As we have seen here many, many times over many, many years most punters buy a Guitar & then within 3 - 12 months flip it.

    It is generally easier to flip a Gibson (& a Fender) IMHO, regardless of which is the better Guitar.

    Re the '03 BRW's, the comment about ~ 1,800 Guitars being made is incorrect, they made ~ 600 - 650 Guitars from memory.

    This is a handy guide for reference if anyone wants to count the official ones. Others were made, just not official.

    https://www.themusiczoo.com/blogs/news/handy-gibson-guitars-brazilian-rosewood-guide

    My 2c FWIW.

    :cheers2:
     
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  9. kingmidas3

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    This may be a matter of opinion. I've bought a few nice guitars from Wildwood, including limited Wildwood Run Strats and Gibson Custom Shop Models. Value is a subjective thing - on their special runs, I've paid a fair price for the specs that they've designed into their models. They've also cut me some great deals on Gibson Custom Shop stuff. I have never felt "scammed" by them at any time - they've been above board with me on all of our dealings and have gone above and beyond for me on service and set-ups. I have also bought some Martin Artist Models that were consigned through them - these were priced at market and were rare models that I'm pleased to have found. $10k for a Gibson Les Paul with stock Brazillian board seemed to be a great value as WW sold the four that they had within 24 hours. These guys are credible and they will work with you when they can.
     
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    People sure are funny
     
  11. alnico59

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    IMO Gibson/WW played this card perfect. No pre hype. Just boom! Here they are. Apparently this deal was in the making for a long time.

    Now with the possibility of more coming (saw on the other site 20 more in different finishes) and the fact the first batch went poof I'm gonna bet the next round will be sucked up quickly too.

    I wonder if WW will let select customers pre-order to avoid the circus show.
     
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    M2M LP with an ebony slab is an (almost) two grand upcharge.
     
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    9-7002 looks KILLER:

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  14. rogue3

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    It would be absurd to say that isn't a sweet piece.It is very nice eye candy.:cool2:

    Gibson has always intimated it had *reserve* stock in the wood vault,acquired pre-restriction, as do other makers. Probably not a lot.The stash.

    Why not save it for a match with old growth Honduran? To make it period correct.For a much higher price,of course. HJ. rules,lol. I'll bet its not the last of very limited runs like this. Maybe Henry is clearing out the vault, because he can't fit and keep such excess in the new smaller facility after the move.:laugh2:. Housecleaning the high end.:wow:

    Hell, last time i checked,even Martin offers a *vintage* braz D28, for a few years now. Braz Rosewood from the vault(?) available for 60,000$. Someone can pay it.Hopefully a rich musician, so the piece gets played and heard...appreciated.Like the mindset that happens with loaned Stradivarius instruments.
     
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    that BRW was recently acquired. CDG mentioned he actually collaborated with them to get all the legals passed.
    I think this shows that when some passionate guys get together and really really want something.... Its possible.

    There are some cases where BRW can be authorized depending on provenance (like trees fallen naturally etc...)

    Now thing is, it must be extremely difficult to find good tone wood in these conditions.
    So I am sure the imported quantity is probably very limited. Hence the cost of course.


    I would think they don't waste it and each of these must be a bomb :)

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  16. rogue3

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    Thats cool. From what i read, in the past,same rules to Madagasgar Rose...limited quantities may be released, with appropriate certification. Sustainable release.

    At the time of Madi restriction and implimentation,there were a few thousand logs seized, and impounded by the guv't there, while they figured out how to deal with the stockpile.Again so i've read.Not for furniture,pls.:facepalm:
     
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    I could actually see this increasing the makeover guys business. I think a lot of folks just saw IRW as the evolution and accepted it but now there is "better" and they will pull the trigger because they want to keep up with the Jones but don't want to spend $10+k, especially if they have a solid keeper.
     
  18. Greg's Guitars

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    BRW comes in many colors and forms across a huge spectrum from black chocolate to some fretboards that look like landscapes, so seeing a "dark" rosewood does not surprise me but the pricetag for a "reissue" has never made that much sense to me. Many a mid 50 era Gibson acoustics I have sold had phenomenal boards,

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    Not sure what you’re meaning. If my post didn’t make sense, what I was trying to say was... rewind to 2014 Historics, 2015 True Historics, etc. - those guitars were called 1958 Les Paul, 1959 Les Paul, etc. That’s how they’re listed in stores, and that’s what it says on the COA. For example...
    https://wildwoodguitars.com/product-category/electrics/gibson-custom-shop/historic-les-paul/

    In contrast, the 2017 reissues are just called “Les Paul Standard,” with no indication that it’s a 1958 reissue, 1959 reissue, etc. other than the serial number. That was my only point, just the observation that they aren’t even distinguishing among reissue years anymore, other than if you know that serial numbers starting with 8 are ‘58 reissues, serial numbers starting with 9 are ‘59 reissues, etc. If you flip one of these, and you listed it on eBay as a ‘59 reissue... is it really? We all know it is. But if you were new to this and tried to verify that it’s a ‘59 reissue, it would come down to understanding the serial number system. None of the Gibson/Wildwood marketing or sales materials say 1959, and my guess is the COA doesn either.

    In previous years, they milked that meaningless distinction between ‘58 reissues and ‘59 reissues in order to price discriminate (charge different customers different prices for essentially the same product). For example, I couldn’t afford $6k for an R9, so I bought an R8 for $4k. They made more money by charging two different prices. Otherwise, if they only offered a “Les Paul Standard” reissue, they could only set one price. If they set that price at $6k, they lose a sale to me. If they set it at $4k, they wouldn’t lose me, but they’d lose the extra $2k they could have charged some subset of customers for the “1959” distinction. They had a good thing going with having separate ‘58/‘59 product lines. And they scrapped that, which seems dumb to me.
     
  20. Pappy58

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    They still do the same thing with the pricing..the "8 xxxxx" are cheaper than the "9 xxxx" etc. So anyone with a somewhat functioning brain can still figure it out. I think HJ figured out that by continuing to call them Re-issues and/or Historic's the door of criticism would never close. My .02 :cheers:
     
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