1983 Tokai LS80 refret?

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  1. Guitarzandstuff

    Guitarzandstuff Senior Member

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    Hi all,

    I've posted this pic before in a thread with no responses. I believe this to be an LS80. Was sold to me as an LS80 and everything but nibs seems correct. Does this look original or does it look like refret?

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  2. RyanC

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    Pic isn't great, but it looks like you can make out the remnants of nibs. Headstock angle should be another tell if I recall...
     
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    Headstock is 18 degrees but read on Tokai Forum that LS60s had the 18 degree in 1983. Not sure if that's true.
     
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    Ahhh, didn't realize it was post '81... you may be right.
     
  5. brokentoeswalker

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    Is it nitro ?? Check a spot on the inside of a pup cavity. LS80 should be nitro.
     
  6. Udonitron

    Udonitron Psychedelic Stoner Rock Premium Member

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    In 83 specs were all over the place, 2 piece backs vs 1 piece etc.
     
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    Just to confuse things even further, regarding nitro finishes:

    Some 1983-85 LS80s used some kind of automotive lacquer instead of nitro. Not poly, not nitro, but something different.
     
  8. reborn old

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    There are definitely nibs artifacts on yours, so i would say an LS-80

    I've owned three 1983 LS 80's, all with nibs and all with lacquer finishes that were applied super thin on backs without use of any pore filler, so you can clearly see every mahogany grain depression in the back and seams if any when viewed at an angle, while tops tended to be sprayed thicker or with more passes.
    1983 - 1985 LS-60's I've seen were all poly finished with glossy backs.
    The only 1983-1985 LS-80 + LS-120 Tokais with multipiece backs were solid flametop examples.
    Veneer tops or plaintop 1983-1985 LS-80 examples
    all have 1 piece backs.

    This '83 "black burst copy" below was my best sounding Tokai of the 10 or more I've owned,
    8 lbs, 1 pc back, '59 neck, sustained forever with better pickups.
     

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    hi
    i got a 1985 tokai lp
    i belive it is a ls 80 .. nitro and it has brass saddels but they are nickle plated
    it is a veneere top but not a one piece body
    it is very very hard to see it is not a one piece body ... but i do have a lot of guitars and know what to look for
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    Hi Otto,

    It's been awhile since we've spoken.
    How are things with you ?

    Brass saddles do suggest an LS-80.
    Was the neck refretted at some point ?

    Finishes on 1985 models might have changed from what they were in 1983, but in the absence of grain marks on the back of the neck + headstock, no sign of fret edge binding in pics of the fretboard, veneer top + multi-piece back and the info at hand, I wouldn't rule out this being an LS-60, but I admit I could be wrong ... you have a lot of experience, a very large collection, and the guitar in front of you.

    Bridges can be swapped, particularly where these were notorious for sagging.
    My 1983 LS-60 had a 17-18* headstock instead of a 14*
    headstock, but otherwise the same specs as yours
    veneer top, two piece back and smooth finish everywhere.

    Those Gotoh pickups are what I would expect on an LS-50 or LS-60, with 1983+ LS-80's usually having zebras,
    but again as you have mentioned previously, there were variations.
     
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    hi
    it is a 18 % head stock ... but i have not seen one with pickups like this and a pcb in 1985
    it is in nitro .. i got it from uk and the seller told me it was ls150
    but i dont belive that .. it looks all original almost mint .. so i dont think it has had a refret
    with the brass saddels and 18 headstock and nitro and it is very very very hard to see it is a 2 piece body ... i think if you dont have experience with old mij you could easy belive it was a one piece body ..but i think it is a ls 80
    but not easy with the mid 80s tokai
    and no i am not well .....i had a car accident 2 years ago and i am still not working .. i have problems with my back .. and i hit my head so i have problems with memory
    but thank you for asking :cheers2:
     
  14. Udonitron

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    The back will get better man, been in your shoes back in 2001.
    Neck still has its ups and downs but the upper back etc is much better.
    Muscle rehabilitation does wonders.
     
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    i got a back surgery last year and have some iron (or what the make it of ) in my back
    the made my back stiff from 8 - 12
    but it did not help me
    but i have to learn to live it ... i dont think it goes away
    but that is live .. i am happt to be alive
     
  16. Udonitron

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    Take THC and CBD, that will help you out.
    They fused your vertebrae it sounds like.
     
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    :cheers2: Sorry to hear about your mishap Otto ... and hoping you eventually get back to where you were.
     

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