1976 tobacco sunburst repair questions

Discussion in 'Luthier's Corner' started by cavi, Oct 1, 2017.

  1. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    okay so I just bought a 76 tobaccoburst standard that has had a very tough life. There are many issues however the price was right and I wanted a player that I would not worry about. Minor issues, wrong tuners, very crappy ones, wrong pickup wrings, one broken, neck pickup had a loose metal cover, multiple extra screw holes in places. major issue, looks like at some point a strap came loose and the guitar hit the ground on the edge near the hack, major crack with even a loose piece of the body. So I went ahead and injected tightbond in the cracks and clamped and it is now solid, however there was no way to get it to close 100% flush due to the age of the cracks, and i would have done more damage trying to completely separate the pieces as it would have hurt the top. So now that the repair is solid I need to decied if I refinish the back or not. If I do refinish it I should be able to do a good job hiding the repair, but I will have a refinished back. Leave it or refinish it, which way will I loose less value down the road? Also, if I do refinish the back I would consider refinishing the back of the neck as the finish has worn badly and has areas with no color only sealer.
    Thoughts?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/uu79e0jx5d...%20PM.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/484jb3147o...%20PM.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/13yqo885v7ecy23/Photo Sep 30, 8 22 45 PM.jpg?dl=0
     
  2. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Here is the baby after a couple of hours of repair work, along side my epi standard that is sporting a pair of Carvin humbuckers, love the mellow smooth sound!! also you can see the two small screw holes in front of the neck pickup volume control, Any idea what might have been there?
    Photo Oct 01, 5 39 56 PM.jpg
     
  3. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah The Worst Premium Member

    Messages:
    2,782
    Likes Received:
    2,069
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2009
    If you refinish it, it will lose value. It really depends on who you sell it to, but most people won't pay top dollar for a refinished guitar.
     
    Kris Ford likes this.
  4. DarrellV

    DarrellV Almost 1 Year old this month! Premium Member

    Messages:
    7,857
    Likes Received:
    6,306
    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2016
    Nice guitar! Alex Lifeson would be proud. ATWAS was made with one of those. Nuff said! Rock that bad boy. :jam:
     
    Thumpalumpacus likes this.
  5. Who

    Who are you? Who who who who.... Premium Member

    Messages:
    12,356
    Likes Received:
    18,499
    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    Did you see the pics? The body had a substantial crack that cavi repaired. I don't think top-dollar-collectibility is in the future of this guitar.

    Cavi, it is a good looking guitar. Why worry about refinishing the old workhorse? Just rock it, flaws and all.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2017
    judson and Thumpalumpacus like this.
  6. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    two reasons I was considering refinishing, one it would look and feel better, I would not touch the top, but in the process I could also refinish the back of the neck which would make it feel better when playing. I love it when the neck is super smooth, which I can achieve with satin laquer, or even gloss laquer sanded to 800grit. The value will never be great, as the cracks were substancial. So......
     
    Who likes this.
  7. 1981 LPC

    1981 LPC Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,043
    Likes Received:
    1,317
    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2010
    I say go for it. Sand the neck! Playability is rightfully your #1 concern. Tru-Oil is a great finish IMHO.
     
  8. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    ok, I went for it started the refinish of the back and neck today. Deffinitly a good move as I can already tell the cracks will be a thing of the past!!! However after sanding the neck I found it was not mahogony like the body, looks like a 3 piece maple. Is that normal in a 1976 standard? Also, curious, the decal on the headstock with the serial number states Les Paul-Deluxe, while I know the guitar is a standard. Ideas?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/fds5qtw72uoxbq5/Photo Oct 12, 9 29 55 AM.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/abdobkyvidaql9x/Photo Oct 12, 9 29 40 AM.jpg?dl=0
    Also do those look like stock pots and wireing?
     
    Who likes this.
  9. Who

    Who are you? Who who who who.... Premium Member

    Messages:
    12,356
    Likes Received:
    18,499
    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2012
    I'm no expert, but the wiring does not look stock, to me. Too sloppy. A closer look at the pot codes would help
    upload_2017-10-12_13-45-13.png

    Click-free headstock pic:
    upload_2017-10-12_13-46-59.png
     
  10. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,277
    Likes Received:
    3,132
    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    Should be maple for '76.

    COULD be a Deluxe with full size HBs..they exist, I had one..or just whatever sticker was available at the time was used..
     
  11. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,277
    Likes Received:
    3,132
    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    What is SN# range on that? Can't tell..that would be a clue..my old '76 Deluxe...
    upload_2017-10-12_13-55-8.jpeg
     
  12. Greg's Guitars

    Greg's Guitars Senior Member

    Messages:
    5,250
    Likes Received:
    2,626
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2009
    It will always be a players grade guitar , so I would leave as is.....
     
  13. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    I get that it will always be a player, but now it will be a nicer player, and I'll have some fun in the process
     
    Who likes this.
  14. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    and yes my serial number is in the same range as yours. Thanks!!
     
  15. J-Dizzle

    J-Dizzle Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,649
    Likes Received:
    1,885
    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    multi piece maple neck is normal

    also it could be one of the many, many Deluxes that was routed afterwards for humbuckers?

    If you want to refinish it, I say go for it. Its a player not a collectable, do what you want to it and rock the shit outta that thing.
     
    Thumpalumpacus likes this.
  16. Robert Parker

    Robert Parker Senior Member

    Messages:
    489
    Likes Received:
    143
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2010
    That thing is awesome. Honestly, I'd rather have that that most collectable guitars. Refinish enough to make it feel good to play - and to the point you won't constantly wonder whether you should whenever you look at it. After that, I concur with J-Dizzle's advice and rock that thing!
     
  17. cavi

    cavi Member

    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2010
    Well refinish is underway, back, and back of neck. I did not do almost anything to the sides, and nothing to the top, or headstock, this way it will still look like it should. at this point I know I did the right thing. I used dark walnut stain on the mahogony, but it did not work well on the maple, it did not want to take the stain evenly, even though I did sand it well, so I sealed it then used stumac laquerwith tobacco, so now it is even!!!
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/44q835y4nt51g00/Photo Oct 14, 7 39 40 PM.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/c7dq1kqy3esfbtj/Photo Oct 14, 7 39 51 PM.jpg?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4fcwrfft2uzn3tl/Photo Oct 14, 7 39 57 PM.jpg?dl=0
     
    J-Dizzle likes this.

Share This Page