1975 Les paul standard value

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  1. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    I am considering a 1975 LP Standard for sale locally.
    I would like opinions on its value.
    It is a deluxe with factory humbucker routes.
    One hole from a coil tap switch.
    Tobacco burst in good condition.
    This guitar sold for $2700 on reverb three years ago which I think is high for what it is.

    Buyer has it listed for $3k.

    Here is a link to photos and the reverb sale from three years ago.

    https://reverb.com/price-guide/guide/18637-gibson-les-paul-deluxe-standard-1975-sunburst
     
  2. Razzle

    Razzle Senior Member

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    Is the TSB one in the pic on the Reverb pricing history page the one you're talking about?

    If it's that in the pic, that thing is in pretty good shape. I saw were the tuners had been replaced, but it looks like you could put the original ones back on there (i.e. there's no new holes). And then there's the gouging of the headstock on #6 tuner. To me though, the hole is a deal breaker. I think 3k is definately a bit high, for me b/c of the hole, I'd be more around 2k, and personally I'd just wait for a nicer one. You can fix tuners, can't fix a hole in the top.

    But I'm confused, it says Standard on the front, then Deluxe on the back. Which is it?

    The #2 serial no looks like it was a second. And I don't know about the missing S/N on the Deluxe label, probably some experts around here could chime in.
     
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  3. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    Your appraisal is exactly what I was thinking.

    Yes the guitar used as the example on reverbs price guide happens to be the same one I am considering.
    It was sold on reverb three years ago for $2700 which I think for three years ago was about $700 too much.

    Yes the tuners have been replaced and it looks like you could install klusons with no evidence of the current tuners ever being there.
    The hole for the mini toggle is kinda a deal breaker knowing how much the seller paid for this guitar three years ago.

    I am not sure if this is officially a standard or a deluxe with factory humbucker routs, assuming the routs look original.

    My guess is this guitar is worth between $2000-$2400 depending how bad you want it.
    Thing is,
    I doubt $2400 would get it.
     
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  4. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    The "2" at the time indicated "second" which meant that there was "something wrong"
    with the guitar. What it was would differ form guitar to guitar.
    Eventually Gibson decided not to sell any "second" and destroyed whatever guitar that was not up to par
    with Gibson quality (insert your sarcasm remarks about Gibson quality control here!).

    So, asking for a high price for a "second" is optimistic at best.
    Add the toggle switch hole and the headstock-tuner hole,
    that guitar becomes pretty "ordinary" and is not worth premium price.

    That tuner hole would drive me crazy personally!
    :D

    [​IMG]
     
  5. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    He has lost his mind, it is a $1700-$1800 guitar AT BEST....and I would not give that for it without verifying the pick ups.
     
  6. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    I think the blemish by the high e string tuner might be a reflection.
    In the photos from the current local ad I do not see this same anomaly.

    Also in the original reverb listing there is no mention of anything.
     
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    Trussrod cover is wrong. I dunno... do you like the guitar? If so, maybe $2K. Real mahogany neck Norlin Standards are getting up there, right? I know mine has one of the all time best neck shapes of any Gibson from any era. Is that a maple neck? That would be unacceptable for me but YMMV...
     
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    I am contemplating offering him my 2003 Standard and $500 for his 75 Standard.

    Thoughts?
     
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    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    what do you value your 2003 standard at?

    have you asked him about the pups?
     
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    I don’t know how much should it cost.. but I believe it is in a very good shape for a ‘75 guitar!!
     
  11. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    I value my standard at $1600.

    The original reverb ad from two years ago says the original pickups were replaced with early 70s T tops.

    I have not asked about the pickups but will once he counters.
     
  12. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    well you see, there in is a problem....why would you replace early 70's T-tops (the original pups) with early 70's T-tops????

    I would not give him $2100 for it.... (your guitar value+$500)
     
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    So therein lies the rub.
    And why I am posting here soliciting opinions.
    I hear ya when you say you would not do that deal.
    I am questioning myself as my 2003 is a great guitar and in great condition but my love of all things old and perhaps nostalgia may be clouding my judgement.

    The thing that I struggle to step away from this deal is all things considered,
    It looks to be a solid example of a 1975 LP Standard/deluxe. It has equivalent vintage replacement pickups and except for the single hole from mini toggle appears complete.
    No where do I see mid 70s standards listed much below $3k.
    Or am I missing something?

    Thanks for the input.
     
  14. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    they are not selling for that, just listed for that....the sold listings on the reverb link attest to that...i always throw out the low and high and take an average....

    then consider this one has a hole in the top (not a good job either).....tuners have been replaced, TRC has been replaced, and to me there's something funny about the pup rings too???

    then verify the pups and be sure it is factory route.....

    you know what they say about a bird in the hand.......but go play it first....at the end of the day, if you are happy, we are happy!!

    post a HNGD thread!!!
     
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  15. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    Wild guess..to replace the DiMarzios that were in it from 1975 to 2007? ;)
     
  16. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    fer sher!
     
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    Hi,
    To me the post of the bridge seems not original to the guitar and at this point, I would tell you to not buy this instrument cause theses inserts change drastically the sound!!!
     
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  18. HardCore Troubadour

    HardCore Troubadour Senior Member

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    Moby,

    I have a 76 Deluxe with pro routes and it STILL has those DiMarzio's.......same color, and everything.

    Hog necks are over-rated anyways....

    just sayin'

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  19. Kris Ford

    Kris Ford Senior Member

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    NOTHING wrong with a NASHVILLE bridge..nothing..in fact, it is SUPERIOR to the ABR-1..yeah, I said it.
     
  20. Moby Dick

    Moby Dick Senior Member

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    Yeah so,
    Thanks for the advice guys.
    It is much appreciated.
    I am now leaning towards a pass on this, not because I think it’s a bad deal but I think shortly after the excitement wears off, I will have regret with a guitar that In all likelihood is less than my current 2003 Standard.

    Not to mention, my real desire is a 1980-1984 custom with Shaw’s and speedwinder Schallers.
    I think the maple neck era Les Paul is a really interesting variant.
    So thanks for keeping me on track!
     

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