1969 Gibson Les Paul Custom

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    There appears to be a lone #2 on the back of the headstock. On my Norlin made just a few years later that indicated a factory second (blemished). Might that be the case ?

    Not trying to cause trouble here, just like to see full disclosure.

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    My Norlin with a similar #2 in a different location.

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    It does have 2 on back of neck absolutely that was common n 60/70 and 80s usually a finish blemish but nothing I can see
     
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    C'mon man, a factory second is worth mentioning when asking 11K for a LP.:slap:

    Yes, that finish flaw or binding flaw is long gone with the mojo added on top, but it still doesn't negate the fact that this guitar did not meet Gibson standards at the time.

    Maybe I'm in a cranky mood today because I just read that thread about the "not as described" flying V, but this deserves a mention. If I bought it and didn't see the factory second stamp until it arrived, I'd be uber pissed off.
     
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    Ask Slash if there is anything wrong with his 85 Les Paul which is 2nd???
    like I said there is nothing of flaw I can see otherwise I would definitely mention it in the ad
     
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    I have no idea of how that affects price. Again, do not want trouble. I seem to recall reading Slash had a thing for seconds. They deserve play too. :)

    The only reason I pointed it out is the guy who sold me my LP never informed what the 2 was until well after I bought it. He later said he felt bad about it and would make it up to me in future sales. Yeah, I'm sure that happened ...

    Some of the inlay on the headstock was a bit buggered up and the fretboard had two minor cracks in it which was likely the need for the 2.
     
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    Nothing buggered up on this one she’s a tone machine! It is a 2nd but at 9.1 lbs and the tone it produces I beg someone to find a nicer one....also was owned by an actual professional musician no issues!
     
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    When I sold Gibson back in the '80s,they would circle a "flaw" with a grease pencil.I must admit,I probably wouldn't have even seen it unless they did...the flaw was usually a minute finish fleck or something.
     
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    30 yrs ago, a factory 2nd would effect price, not the case today IMHO.

    Bump and GLWS.
     
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    And also it only weighs 9.13lb which is unheard of for a Custom! this is truly a great one!
     
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    Weekend bump
     
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    I remember reading that Gibson would mark an employee's guitar as a “2” also. Something about the warranty but not always a finish issue
     
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    Out of curiosity and the quest for knowledge, I have a few questions about your initial post and description. What is meant by "1 piece body?" Is it actually a 1 piece, all mahogany body, as some of the earliest Black Beauties are purported to be? Or are you simply stating that the mahogany back is all 1 piece? Or that the maple or mahogany top is 1 piece. It kinda looks like that crack near the switch is at a seam in the top cap. Certainly should not affect the price, as I've seen many with similar cracks, but I'm just curious.

    The other question is about the case. Did Les Pauls actually come with rectangular cases in '69? Or was it simply the choice of the customer and/or dealer?

    Not trying to start any trouble, just looking to increase my knowledge and we don't see very many examples of great, historical guitars like this to ask about!

    Thank You,
    Gene
     

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