1961 to 1965 juniors

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  1. fernieite

    fernieite Senior Member

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    Hi guys.
    At some point I'd like to get a nice 1961 to 1965 sg junior.
    Is there anything I should look out for?
    Are there any problems associated with any specific years?
    Any other thoughts with this type of guitar?
    Thanks a lot. :cool:
     
  2. Duane_the_tub

    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    Juniors from that period were commonly modded, so finding one that hasn't been, say, routed for humbuckers or had a bridge/tailpiece swap can sometimes be a challenge. They are also prone to other typical "old guitar" problems, such as tuner buttons deteriorating and pickguards shrinking. There are also a few design elements that changed over the years and affect desirability of certain years, such as nut width.

    (Full disclosure: I have an all-original '65 SG Junior for sale in the classifieds, link here and pic below. I would be happy to tell you as much about it as you'd like.)

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  3. bossaddict

    bossaddict Premium Member

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    I love these guitars. Like @Duane_the_tub mentioned, '65s can have a narrow nut width, Indian rosewood fretboard, and/or chrome hardware, but not necessarily.

    On the later end of that range, the neck should be nice and chunky.

    Good luck!
     
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    fernieite Senior Member

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    Thanks guys.
    I've played a couple of these guitars and like the wider neck, but I don't think I'd want wide and chunky. Medium thickness is preferred.
    I wonder if a 63 "Les Paul Junior" would be my thing? I hear in 63 - the neck joint may be stronger and perhaps medium thickness?
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 61-63 necks can be seriously thin and the later necks are just a bit thicker. I have a '65 where the supposedly thick and wide neck is really less than .8in thick at the first fret. And wide means more like normal width compared to the very narrow late '65 necks.
     
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    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    Possibly, but in my experience those are significantly harder to find, and more $.
     
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    Duane_the_tub Senior Member

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    I agree with this. The neck profile on my '65 is considered chunky, but in reality it's somewhere between an R0 and R9 profile. Very comfortable.
     
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    My '64 that I used to have was chunky, but sort of a '59 type profile. My '65 is a baseball bat.
     
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    How thick is the '65 baseball bat neck? (And is it narrow or wide?)
     
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    It's the wide 1 11/16" nut width. I just measured it and the thicknesses are actually a little less than I expected...

    1st fret: 0.824
    7th fret: 0.918"
    12th fret: 0.995"
     
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    Thanks! My early '65 is only ~.75 at the first fret, I'm almost wondering if someone didn't sand it down actually.
     
  12. fernieite

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    Thanks guys!

    Btw, the general consensus seems to be saying that these have a wide neck, but isn't it the same width as a regular Les Paul? (1 11/16" at the nut)

    Also, what was done on the 63's and on that made the necks more stable? And, are the 61 and 62's really all that flimsy? [​IMG]

    Btw, .080 or so at the 1st fret doesn't seem very thick to me. Sounds great actually....:dude:
     
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