1960's Olympic serial number ID

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  1. Wraptail

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    Hey John,

    It's 303301. :thumb:


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  2. johnnymg

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    THANKS!!! :applause:

    Awesome community we got here!

    cheers to all
    JohnG
     
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  3. johnnymg

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    Greets everyone:

    OK, so S/N 276294 does indeed have a "flat" back. My WAG is that the transition to the scarfed back occurred around S/N 29x,xxx.

    Unfortunately, this old Olympic has a repaired head-stock break. How on earth can a busted headstock guitar be listed as in "good condition" without at least mentioning such a significant defect. ??? :hmm:

    Edit:
    Just did a bit more inspecting and the frets are completely flat-topped/knackered. I was also wondering why the stop tail bridge was bowed toward the pickups. Guess what.............. the stop tail bridge is cracked at both outside stud locations. This poor old Oly is FUBAR.

    My little foray into Vintage land didn't end so well. :shock:

    cheers all
    JohnG
     
  4. number27

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    Sorry to ear that .... Can you return it ?
     
  5. A1Coyote

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    This is sad news. I would not expect this type of thing from a GC, at least my experiences with GC were all very good ones. That doesn't sound anywhere near good condition to me. What a deceitful listing. A truthful listing should have been condition POOR - This product shows significant cosmetic and functional wear. It may need repair and / or part(s) replaced.
     
  6. Wraptail

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    That sucks, hope it all works out for you!
     
  7. johnnymg

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    THANKS for the replies. Much appreciated.

    I talked to the shop manager and he was very apologetic and authorized a UPS pickup for the guitar.

    Perhaps the object lesson here is that Vintage (50 YO) guitars can come in all states of conditions and it's very much "buyer beware" or "trust but verify". The manager was aware of the neck repair but feigned ignorance on the knackered frets and cracked (2 places) tail stop. I guess I'll give the shop the benefit of doubt on that one...............

    My mistake was not asking for more pics/info. That won't happen again. If I do pursue another vintage Olympic it will only be for for "excellent" level copies.

    It's all good!!!
    John
     
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  8. duane v

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    My 66 Olympic has a non scarfed back
     
  9. johnnymg

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    Are you sure it's a 66? SN?

    Update on my Oly return. GC did a complete refund. Haven't seen that guitar relisted now for a couple months.

    cheers
    JohnG
     
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    I'm not sure, but that's what I was told.... I'm not a serial number expert, especially when it comes to older Epi's
     
  11. johnnymg

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    The list below is a cut/paste from the link above. The S/N's jump around quite a bit but you should be able to find a sequence below that matches your Oly. Based on other Oly's my guess is that your Oly is a 65 or earlier and not a 66. Post a pic! :applause:

    http://guitarhq.com/epiphone.html#specs
    Gibson-made Serial Number, 1961 to 1969, all instruments (non "A" series).
    Beginning in 1961, Epiphone serial numbers follow Gibson's serial number series. All models, stamped in back top of peghead. No "MADE IN USA" stamp below serial number! Note many serial numbers are duplicated from 1963-1969. To figure out which is the exact year for a guitar, see the General Specs section for details. Numbers thanks to Walter Carter.
    Number Range Year
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    0100 to 42440 1961
    42441 to 61180 1962
    61450 to 64222 1963
    64240 to 71040 1964
    71041 to 96600 1962, a few from 1963/1964
    96601 to 99999 1963
    000001 to 099999 1967 (all 6 digit numbers
    starting with "0" are 1967)
    100000 to 106099 1963 or 1967
    106100 to 106899 1963
    109000 to 109999 1963 or 1967
    110000 to 111549 1963
    111550 to 115799 1963 or 1967
    115800 to 118299 1963
    118300 to 120999 1963 or 1967
    121000 to 139999 1963
    140000 to 140100 1963 or 1967
    140101 to 144304 1963
    144305 to 144380 1964
    144381 to 149864 1963
    149865 to 149891 1964
    149892 to 152989 1963
    152990 to 174222 1964
    174223 to 176643 1964 or 1965
    176644 to 250335 1964
    250336 to 305983 1965
    306000 to 310999 1965 or 1967
    311000 to 320149 1965
    320150 to 320699 1967
    320700 to 329179 1965
    329180 to 330199 1965 or 1967
    330200 to 332240 1965, 1967 or 1968
    332241 to 348092 1965
    348093 to 349100 1966
    349121 to 368638 1965
    368640 to 369890 1966
    370000 to 370999 1967
    380000 to 385309 1966
    390000 to 390998 1967
    400001 to 406666 1966
    406667 to 409670 1966 to 1968
    409671 to 410900 1966
    410901 to 419999 unknown
    420000 to 429193 1966
    500000 to 500999 1965, 1966, 1968, or 1969
    501009 to 501600 1965
    501601 to 501702 1968
    501703 to 502706 1965 or 1968
    503010 to 503109 1968
    503405 to 520955 1965 or 1968
    520956 to 530056 1968
    530061 to 530850 1966, 1968, or 1969
    530851 to 530993 1968 or 1969
    530994 to 539999 1969
    540000 to 540795 1966 or 1969
    540796 to 545009 1969
    555000 to 556909 1966
    558012 to 567400 1969
    570087 to 570643 1966
    570645 to 570755 1966 or 1967
    570857 to 570964 1966
    580000 to 580080 1969
    580086 to 580999 1966, 1967 or 1969
    600000 to 600998 low end models, 1966, 1967, or 1968
    600000 to 606090 high end models, 1969
    700000 to 700799 1966, 1967 or 1969
    750000 to 750999 1968 or 1969
    800000 to 800999 1966, 1967, 1968 or 1969
    801000 to 812838 1966 or 1969
    812900 to 819999 1969
    820000 to 820087 1966 or 1969
    820088 to 823830 1966
    824000 to 824999 1969
    828002 to 847488 1966 or 1969
    847499 to 858999 1966 or 1969
    859001 to 895038 1967
    895039 to 896999 1968
    897000 to 898999 1967 or 1969
    899000 to 899999 1968
    900000 to 901999 1970
    910000 to 999999 1968
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    Number Range Year
     
  12. duane v

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    The first three numbers are 258, so it's a 65 according to the info you posted
     
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    Congrats, your Oly just went up in value! :naughty:
     
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    Thanks....lol.... It's really tough to find info on these little beauties..... I'm hoping to have her all put together before the year is up. I'm having vintagevibeguitars making me a black faceguard with all the electronics with a charlie christian pup. I picked up an authentic TRC, and was bent over pretty good on that one:shock: I finally found some vintage tuner furrules, and I wasn't hit too hard there....lol.... I picked up this guitar at a great great price and I couldn't resist.... I can get her all put back together for under $1000 USD

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    :thumb:

    Awesome project. Congrats on a nice find too. The finish and frets look great in the pics.

    Not a whole lot of info is out there on the Olympics. Like johnnymg mentioned, the 65's switched to a scarfed / beveled rear body, part way through that production year. Your fine example does not have snake bites from a Maestro vibrato, which is supposed to have become standard for the Olympic in 1965. Possibly that was standard after they changed the body style too?

    This is what I have found on Olympics: Vintage Guitars Info - Epiphone model history collecting vintage guitars

    Looking forward to seeing pics of the end result. Thanks for posting these pics!
     
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    Thanks A1C:dude:

    i'll keep yall updated on the process.... I was surprised too not to see the snake bites as well.
     
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    The face plate came in, but as suspected I'm going to need to open the pup cavity just a tad..... A little bummed about that, but it's player geetar so it will be okay

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  18. johnnymg

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    Why do you need to open up the cavity? :shock: I would generally try to avoid doing that on a vintage guitar.

    Congrats and best wishes on the build!
     
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    I know.... I'm a little bummed.... The bottom part of the pup is .020 too wide.... So I gotta open it up a little.... I'm going to have it professionally done
     
  20. A1Coyote

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    Holy Smokes that scratch guard looks awesome! It even has the Epsilon "E"! Vintage Vibe Guitars did a very nice job on it. Looks great with the b/w guard.

    That Charlie Christian pup looks pretty cool too in contrast with that pick guard. Is that also VVG?

    Is the pickguard opening the same size as an original to fit a Melody Maker pickup or was it modified to fit the Charlie Christian pickup?
     

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