1960's Olympic serial number ID

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  1. johnnymg

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    Greets

    I checked through the S/N daters and couldn't find info on the mid 60's Olympics.

    Anyone have a clue as to what year an Olympic Double would be with a S/N of 276294 ???

    thanks
    JohnG
     
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    Thanks again.

    Is there an online decoder for these earlier Epi's???
     
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    No, there is no decoder. The list I linked to is as good as it gets.
     
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    Was it 1965 that the body-scarf was made to the Olympic Double?

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    I dont know what you mean by that.
     
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    The scarf is the carved out area on the back of the body.

    Looks like the 64- doesn't have it and most-all 65+ have the scarf.

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    oh, I see. I honestly dont know. Sorry.
     
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    From scanning pics on eBay and reverb it looks like both the Wishire and Olympic had 'regular' backs in 64 and scarfed backs beginning in 65.

    It appears that the main difference between mid 60's Wilshire's and Oly's is the pickups: Wilshire's getting the P90's and Oly's getting the Melody Makers. NOT sure if that's the whole story on the differences................. just going by what I've seen online. If you have any other insights I would love to hear them.

    thanks for maintaining the wiki
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    my 65 Olympic has a scarfed back.
     
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    What is a "scarfed back" for curiosity sake?

    Found a pick of what is listed as a "1965 Olympic" and the back is plain / flat. Then a photo of a 1966 and the back of the body is beveled.
     
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    Just about every 1965 (and later) I've found on Reverb/ebay has the scarfed back. All 64's and earlier have non-scarfed backs.

    Here's an image (found online) of a 65 Olympic with the scarfed back:

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    I'll have a 65 Oly myself later this week. Will post pics and some initial impression asap :naughty:

    EDIT: My WAG is that the confusion over which year is related to the somewhat chaotic nature of Epi's S/N's in the 1960's. Epi apparently used similar S/N's for multiple years as indicated in the master list at the bottom of this web page: Vintage Guitars Info - Epiphone vintage guitar collecting general info

    cheers
    JohnG
     
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    yes it was in 1965 , in 1964 the back of the body is flat on these guitars, in 65 nickel bridge is replaced by chrome, i've heard they also stop using rio rosewood in 1965 or 66 ...
     
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    Thanks for the PM with those Oly links.

    Of your web finds the latest "65" with a flat back is S/N 2786xx. That # does fall inside the 1965 build year according to the known S/N dating links.

    The Oly I purchased is S/N 2762xx and I'm not sure if it's scarfed or flat. Will find out later this week.
     
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    Yes the main difference between wilshires and olympic are the pickup, it's basically the same lutherie , the routing for electronic is not the same (but you can put mini-hum in an olympic cavity) and wilshire has a tune o magic bridge instead of a wraparound on the olympic.

    :cheers2:
     
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    Thanks for that feedback.

    If you don't mind: I would like to know the S/N (without the last 2 digits) of your Olympic. :fingersx:

    thanks
    JohnG
     
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    Oh, that's very cool ............ :cheers2:

    Maybe there was a definite S/N transition for Olympics and Wilshires. ???? We need more samples in S/N's >2788xx which is the highest S/N I've found with a flat-back. Interestingly, all of the scarfed back 1965 Oly's I've found via google have much higher S/N's.

    Note: I called the shop and mine was boxed up for shipping and not verifiable.

    Based on the current S/N sample set I'm 80:20 sure the one I ordered is the "early" flat-back. :hmm:

    cheers
    JohnG
     

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