1957 les paul custom: is this for real?

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  1. kakerlak

    kakerlak Senior Member

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    Anyway, with something like this, you've gotta focus on the parts that can't be changed. Hardware can be swapped to make a fake more convincing or make a genuine instrument look suspect. Even the fretboard could've been replaced. Gotta focus on stuff like body shape, headstock dimensions and shape, cavity shape. A look at the pickup routes would probably reveal a lot, here. Control cavity wrongness alone kind of seals the deal on this one, IMO.
     
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  2. Who

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    The 1956 and 57 pics of headstocks I found online used flat-head screws in the tuners.
     
  3. kakerlak

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    Yikes. Up over $2k now...
     
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    If this is verified as fake, we can put a stop to the auction.

    By reporting it, or shill-bidding it and never paying. Which I've been known to do, after reporting fakes. ;)
     
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  5. kakerlak

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    Find me a '57 with a matching control cavity shape. That can't be chalked up to changed parts or camera angle, etc. If that's as different as I believe it to be, then it's the smoking gun, based on the pics we have. Everything else, including the fretboard could have been replaced, but wood where there's not supposed to be any is the clincher. Every real one I've seen in pictures has the round-ins between pots lopped off square on the west (towards neck) and north (towards low E) sides.
     
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  6. vaguely

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    to me, the fretboard is the elephant in the room. I can't tell for sure if the frets are original but it looks like the fret end nib things are still intact in that shot of the fretboard, close to the body. so if all that were original, the fretboard would have to be not-ebony. so my thought at this point is that maybe it is a Japanese guitar with a Gibson headstock veneer or something? could that be plausible? it's a mystery, wrapped in an enigma! or maybe just a fake.
     
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    The body shape is the dead give away. Not many repairs or re-shapes done to the cutaway.

    It's an awesome looking fake. And i would love to have it. For $-500.
     
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    The description also has some clunky-odd wording/usage.(At least to me)

    "Middle pickup is not included in the wiring and is added in any pickup constellation using its volume pot"

    "The guitar is playing with a low action with no buzz and death points,"

    "Still the bridge pickup cuts like a knife through, but very pleasantly. Clean sound is perfect, unlike the newer guitar, also great for jazz playing. When adding the middle pickup in the loop, this further enhances and bolds the sound"
     
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    Sure sounds like a google translate to me.
     
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  10. vaguely

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    I must admit, "no death points" sounds pretty damn rad!
     
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    The split diamond dimensions look a bit off, almost like a Norlin split diamond.
     
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    If this is a 57, I’m Santa! :dunno:
     
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    Add to the list...
    Pots aren't correct. Not an original ABR.
     
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    "Plays like a butter"
    Seller has no feedback.
    Beyond $4k now.
     
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    This world will be a better place when Ebay will start allowing open comments on auctions!
     
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    It says 7 enquiries.. whatever that means. .
     
  18. Who

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    It means seven times, someone has contacted the seller.

    I was one of them....as you might expect, I have heard nothing back.

    I've now reported it as counterfeit. I think everyone should report it.


    I'm not even convinced the seller's account hasn't been hacked. The last feedback was from a long time ago.
     
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    I did the same, no replies. Already reported as fraud, but honestly never happened ebay stopped an auction because of reports.
     
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  20. Who

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    Screw him.... I just bid $18,000 on it.

    I intend to be the winning bidder on this, and not pay.

    I've already reported it, and sent a message to him that it is a fraud.

    Even if I get sanctioned by eBay, it's worth it to try to save someone from buying this.

    The downside to my plan is that this might show up in later "sold" listings looking legit to people, later on.


    Join me in flagging this auction. If you feel like having real fun, throw a bid of less that $15k at it


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