1957 les paul custom: is this for real?

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  1. vaguely

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    Somethin' ain't stirrin' the Kool-Aid...

    The stoptail bushings look funky, the tuners look odd (even the way they're mounted,) the bridge looks wonky... somebody that knows this model better than I do should weigh in.

    That electronics cavity...

    Logo looks crooked.
     
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    This is definitely rosewood:
    [​IMG] The red color wouldn't absolutely kill me, depending on lighting, but those open grains/pores totally rule out ebony.
     
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    That's really surprising though. The guitar looks pretty accurate, and having the wrong fretboard would be a stupid giveaway. I agree that the low starting price is super fishy - you'd think twice before risking so much money in case not enough people see it..
     
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    Definitely NOT a '57! Not even vintage.

    That FEB is definitely modern, and even at the weird angle, I can tell the Gibson font is wrong (the holes in the "b", and the "o" are too big/open). And, as was mentioned above, that fretboard is definitely too porus to be ebony.
     
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    The inlays look really white on the photos.
     
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    In case the listing gets pulled, changed, let's post some pics:

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    Thank you all so much for chiming in! I guess my eyes weren’t fooling me about the fretboard. The porous quality there looked way off to me but I’m hardly an expert on these matters. I’m glad we got some more eyes on it. Thanks again!
     
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    Aside from the fretboard which you pointed out, that cutaway looks very wrong too -- much too deep.

    The logo's much too close to the open-book, too.
     
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    This one is an oddity. If it's real, it's weird.

    Rosewood or not, how is the fretboard in good shape, with frets and overall wear like that?

    Is this just a reliced fraud?

    How is it that the stoptail looks like Rory Gallagher played this, but the inside top fur of the case is clean?


    Another nugget in the "relic" clues....look at the pickup mount ring screws. They are all tarnished similarly.


    Now go look at the ones on your guitars. If they are tarnished at all, the one closest to the bridge, on the low-E side is MUCH worse on yours, than the other screws.
     
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    Another "relic" thought. What are those pickup pole screws so beat up on the bottom? Nothing touches those screws. Why are there scratches on the base plates?

    Why are the heads of the pole-pieces so screw-driver worn, but the bridge intonation screws aren't?

    Why is the gold worn so evenly on the bass AND treble end of the bridge?



    I'm just letting the MLP-sceptic-bug take hold of me.
     
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    That bridge pickup....how do you eavenly wear away the perimeter? Yet there's gold still showing reflections?

    All in the hands of a player who has acid-skin resting on the tail/bridge?
     
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    The wiring photo says a lot too. There's no braid in that cavity .... classic copy.

    To answer the OP's question: No. Do not buy.
     
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    Also, switch position is up and left of where it should be.
     
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    One other thing to note: The pickguard isn't vintage - the edge-bevel should be 45-degrees, with the bottom (not the middle) white ply being thicker.

    Also, here's a side-by-side with a real '57 Custom:

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    The truss rod cover is butted up to the nut, which at the time wasn't the case, there was at least half a centimetre space between the two.
     
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    Control cavity ..

    1960 Custom,

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    Op guitar.

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    Best guess a reworked Japanese copy? It's interesting that the ebay guitar is apparently all hog, judging from the cavity shots. I noticed the TRC location, too, though I feel like I've seen a few real ones with the TRC up against the nut. Usually, though, it's so far north it's overlapping the end of the headstock inlay, lol.
     
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