1952 Goldtop LP... My New '59 Burst Project

Discussion in 'Vintage Les Pauls' started by boogieongtr, Jan 2, 2010.

  1. boogieongtr

    boogieongtr MLP Vendor

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    Yes the aniline dye fades very quickly. If you want a faded look go heavy with the sunbursting. When you fade the guitar the colors seem to melt together and gives a great vintage MoJo

    No, I used red, blue and one other color to get the cherry look. If you use just red you will get an orange look. It took me about 6 practice tops to get the color dialed in. The color blending is one of the hardest parts of the build.
     
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    OMG I made it to the end (for now) of the thread! What a great way to spend Columbus Day. You've got some mad skills my man. But gosh, I feel kind of dumb for buying my R9 and R6 Historics now. LOL

    Also, I'm very curious to know who you used for replacement hardware?
     
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    Anyone know if the silkscreen Les Paul logo they used was inked with the same paint that they used on the goldtops? This thread got me thinking.
     
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    I am also wondering about the silkscreen. I need to head to walmart and see this gold paint in person. Looks a little yellow in the pictures but that is the nature of computer screen pics. Another Hoorah for this build :thumb:
     
  5. boogieongtr

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    That is what I have heard for several old timers

    It's a very close match. If you want you can mix the oil paints to get your desired color but I don't think it's necessary.
     
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    Thanks, if you ever want a build let me know. I use Callaham no wire bridge, Pigtail or Gotoh featherweight tail piece, 3 different pickup winders, Manlius, VooDoo and Jim Rolf pickups, RS super pots, repo bumble bee caps & aged top hat knobs, I use the wooley mamoth tusk blanks to make the nuts, VooDoo pickup rings, I make my own pickguards, Gotoh tuners,
     
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    Red Flametop Senior Member

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    WOW......this thread has been an eye-opener!

    Like anyone else, I hate seeing an old guitar hacked up to suit some wanker's passing fancy....but in this case, you ressurected a completely wrecked guitar that in it's as-purchased form was nothing more than parts and firewood(original tops aren't worth anything if you can't PLAY the instrument due to someone's cranial-rectal insertion).

    The discovery of the SEVERE neck damage/previous shoddy repair astonished me more than seeing the old top turned into sawdust. Lots of work done to take what was essentially a "dead" instrument and make it a fine playable guitar again.

    Any chance of sound samples before this beauty goes to it's new owner? I do like the fact that the back of the heastock was left in it's original gold....sort of a nod to it's true identity.
     
  8. boogieongtr

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    Here is a pic of the control cavity. The owner wanted me to install a RS upgraded tone kit. He wants to try three different sets of pickups with the kit. Once he decides which set he wants in the guitar I'll install them using the original pots and tiger caps.
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  9. boogieongtr

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    Well this project is now completed. The owner pickuped up the guitar yesterday and is extremely happy. Here are a couple of shots of the finished guitar.
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    I have started 2 other conversions. This one will be similar to the one I just finished.
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    All of these pages, and now it's over.

    Boogie, new threads for the new projects? Pretty please? :fingersx:
     
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    Well damnit. Someone bought that beauty from ebay I was trying to buy. At least it will be treated to a nice score of upgrades :( I hope we will get to watch here! That guitar went for a song considering the case and parts included. Just to reiterate, what a great thread.
     
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    Thanks, yea it was a great buy. I have a 52 neck that I'm going to use with the body. This one I just might have to keep for myself. :fingersx:
     
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    Nice work - that was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks again.
     
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    I'll agree. It's blasphemy. But in our capitalist society, it's all about the Benjamins. Whether or not something gets destroyed in the process, if somebody CAN make a profit doing something, that seems to supersede whether they SHOULD do it.
     
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    I don't believe the prices of 1952/53 trapeze GTs are going up because their being converted, it's more like they have finally been recognized as also having old wood charm and collectability. I also prefer reversable conversion, but I can see why some wouldn't want the shaved ABR or custom made trapeze wrap bars still sliding when hit or bumped. It's too bad that some folks didn't get in the buying mode when these guitars were lower, as I can kick myself for not buying a 57/58 humbucker GT when they could be had for 30K just a few years back (could'a, should'). I don't think it's a big crime that folks are correcting or even full converting these trapeze GTs since they were not built smart from the beginning, and need to be corrected to be as playable as a later model LP. These were also the highest production numbers of all vintage GTs built between 52 thru 58 with 1952 being 1716 alone.
     
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    I believe I posted this in Jim's thread on the other forum, but I thought I'd repeat it here, so as to give my perspective on conversions.

    I think that most of us will agree that those early goldtops were not particularly good guitars. And had Gibson discontinued making them in the early to mid ‘50s, none of us today would probably be giving them a second thought. But the fact is that Gibson continued to make the Les Paul model, and it would eventually be the late ‘50s guitars (and ’60) that would one day get everyone’s attention…and admiration.

    The rest is history as far as the desirability, collectability and meteoric rise in value of these late ‘50s ‘bursts is concerned…and they thus became know as the “holy grail” for us LP enthusiasts. Now, unfortunately, these holy grail guitars are out of reach price-wise for most of us. And those early, practically unplayable goldtops…which could have just as easily been relegated to the trash heap…have been riding on the coat tails of their younger siblings in recent years from a collectability standpoint.

    So it’s my feeling that if someone wants to take an early goldtop and turn it into their own personal holy grail, then more power to them. Heck, if I could take a Corvair, and with a few non-reversible modifications turn it into a Corvette clone, I’d do that in a heartbeat too…in spite of the collectability of the Corvair in its own right. But that’s just me…and I’m just being…Frank.


    Frank
     
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    :hmm: I think amongst many who have responded I will be unpopular...:shock:

    I've looked at this thread and I can't help but think, 'Why ruin what was a simple fix to what is a totally new build'?

    I understand the ebony job was a bad option whoever carried that out. I don't get the '52 maple top removal, the holes (in the ass as you guys say by the strap pin) chunked out instead of filler, if only mahogany dust or just leave as is 'Mojo'. The slabs of mahogany to fill the P90 recesses...??? I would not pay top dollar for that.

    The fretboard dust....ok:hmm:, new fret wire:shock: a new screened 'Les Paul' logo... I'm all for restoration but I can't help but feel this '52 has had a needless 'Boob job', a chunk bitten out of its ass with some earings thrown on to compliment her 'New look'. Sorry, if i sound downbeat. Personally this is my logical view, I'm not emotional about it but feel this thread warrants some consideration from the other side of the coin.

    Its a money thing, I get that. People with too much money don't appreciate the 'Genuine' article sometimes and their minds perhaps get clouded by $$$$$$$$$...sad to say. What was original has been sandblasted, replaced and IMO lost that original vibe. Its just a dressed up 'Poodle' witha ex-'52 tag.

    You look a fine craftsman but but IMO your morals are $$$$$$. You have a living to make. You have a '60, a '57 and whatever else, it no longer matters to you i'm thinking. People do want the original article still!

    I question your ethics but don't need a reply as you have a deluded buyer who is happy with the finished article. Shame:rolleyes: Why not just buy a '59 Replica??

    I expect the 'Buyer; will need some 'Viagra' to play the damn thing:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

    Great thread but a 'Vintage' loss.

    I would've given it back a 'Goldtop' and kept all the hardware, pups and holes too. Perhaps let the new nitro age again naturally.. It doesn't matter, its not my guitar.

    Just someone else opinion on the planet, not a personal attack, just a lack of understanding of some people actions and motives.

    Looks like you have the best job I could only dream of!!:)
     
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    Apparently it's taboo to not want to convert '52's/'53's to '59's.

    I agree with you, but be careful. If you don't automatically go ga-ga over this, you'll forever be labeled a hater. As I noted in another thread, it seems only those in favor of conversions seem to feel the need for name calling on this issue though. Personally I think that speaks volumes about them.
     
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    Ha ha.. yeah you can't hide from 'Cliques' wherever you go including forums:rolleyes:

    I know what you're saying:thumb: I expect to be shot down in flames, thats fine. As much as someone else's opinion matters to one person equally it doesn't matter to another etc. They're both valid. I thought thats why people post threads for opinions. I always ask for the good and the bad. Thanks in advance for fair warning:thumb:

    No 'hater ', I just don't get this article for the life of me:) I'm for restoration not conversion.

    For the question earlier, 'Why throw the original '52 maple top away' or similarly voiced, I guess that will end up as a second 'conversion'? Says it all if so:rolleyes:
     
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    I think it's sad that Gibson screwed these first generation GTs up so badly, and then got it so straight 1 1/2 years later. I feel bad everytime I see one altered perminently like the one in this thread, but this guitar has to be a better more playable instrument now that this work has been done, and the work is tops. The word insrument is what helps me to consider how important it is to correct these models, since they don't rate highly as an instrument in the same sense as the later second generation LPs. I'm not sure that changing the maple cap was important to making the guitar playable, but it is if you wanted it to be sunburst! I don't really want a sunburst finish or PAFs as much as some, but I'm a collector and not a player which means originality is king to me even if it was built badly to begin with. There are many folks like myself that own several trapeze model LPs that never leave the rooms they live in, so there are many that are being preserved. I just don't think owners should have to settle for the reversable conversions to correct the short comings if they play the guitar. If we were talking about wraptail GTs, Juniors and Specials I'd be concerned since these other models don't have the less playable issue.
     

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