1952 Goldtop for $5000?

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  1. Les Paul Newb

    Les Paul Newb Senior Member

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    Here's what I was told verbatim:

    "Everything functions properly
    Pots have been changed
    No trapeze
    no cracks or neck work done
    The finish is warn due to age"

    Ok here's the goods:





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    Scam or legit?
     
  2. jwehrman

    jwehrman Senior Member

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    I'd be very suspicious. I am by no means a vintage expert, but the fact these usually start at $20,000 raises my flag. Something appears to be very off about this. Perhaps someone with more expertise will chime in.
     
  3. Les Paul Newb

    Les Paul Newb Senior Member

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    Yeah it had my spidey senses going immediately. But idk anything about most vintage models. I mean, the Gibson logo looks very low compared to modern LPs.
     
  4. Les Paul Newb

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    After looking at real 52's, the headstock is spot on, down to the odd string/machinehead angles.

    The ones for 20k are in impeccable condition. Nothing like this. Theres a good chance this is real.
     
  5. chasenblues

    chasenblues Senior Member

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    The machine head angles could possible be attributed to the fact that tuner holes have been reemed out for Grover's.

    I'd still want better(clearer/better light) and more pics,Control cavity,pickup routes etc.
     
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  6. RAG7890

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    20K is a suckers price for a mint '52.

    I've been offered a dead mint one owner never left Michigan for 17K not that long ago.

    :cheers2:
     
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  7. Who

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    Feed all the pics into Google Images. See if they turn up anywhere else. This has helped me plenty of times over the years.
     
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    Did ya buy it?
     
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    who ever put on that tail piece made it look like a chibson with how far back they put it.
     
  11. Les Paul Newb

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    Does that have anything to do with the fact that it formerly had a trapeze?

    I think it's real. I wouldn't have gotten the PMs i got if it was an obvious fake.


    EDIT: I see what you mean bro, my bad. Whoever took the trapeze off and added the stopbar put it way back. Gotcha.
     
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  12. chasenblues

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    It could affect the value when you factor in the possible hit it might take from the stand point of correcting the current position of the TP. Or if someone wanted to try and say either convert/restore it.
     
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    Did you buy it?
     
  14. geddy402

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    Looks pretty legit to me, earning it looks like a 52 with some work done.
     
  15. Greco

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    If you can pay 5 grand and receive that guitar, I'd say it was possibly a no-brainer. However, you know what they say about if something is too good to be true?
     
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    the sides of the body and the back of the headstock are painted gold. the back of the body and the neck are natural. propably partial refin of an originaly all-gold? the possition of tailpsiece is wrong. propably homemade. also the pole screws on the pups are a bit shiny for a 52 in this playing condition. it is propably a 52 and the high speed knobs are as well 52. the rest (tuners, bridge, tailpiece, case, maybe pups, pots?) are not original.
     
  17. etzeppy

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    Buy it and I'll give you $5,500 for it!
     
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    That distance between the tailpiece and the bridge (nashville?) is way off and pot alignment too, as a consequence. Is that kind of a conversion?
     
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    This is either a Resto or a Conversion candidate IMHO.

    :cheers2:
     
  20. Kro64

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    It looks like the real deal, I would like to see the pickup routes , I don't like the stop tail placement , but it's only 5 grand
     

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