‘65 SG Junior - Talk me out of this... or into this?!??

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  1. SoCal Flood

    SoCal Flood Silver Supporter

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    Im writing this from my car outside a guitar store where I just had to exhibit the most self control ever not to make a purchase!

    I’ve been wanting a players grade vintage Gibson with P90s forever and finally made it to Norman’s Rare Guitars in Los Angeles. I’m the kind of person who can walk into any shop and find something that I want to buy. Knowing this about myself this was a dangerous endeavor today.

    I’m VERY tempted by this player’s grade ‘65 SG Junior. They said it appears the neck has been shaved down and someone must have added binding, but they thought it was an original neck. It clearly doesn’t have original tuners but it does have the original P90s. They said they’d give it to me for $1100. It played absolutely beautifully... crazy low action with zero buzz, great sustain and every note just rang out even unplugged.

    I have to ask my MLP brethren if I should pull the trigger because I don’t know enough about vintage guitars to know if this is a good purchase or not. I love guitar history and I want something real old and used, with P90s and it must play great. I can only afford players grade so I don’t mind it being a bit beat up with some non-original parts. Just wanna make sure I’m not missing anything I should be considering. Is there anything I should ask before buying? Is it worth roughly $1,100 or should I make a lower offer on it?

    Does this fit the bill for me at this price? Thanks I’m advance!

    PS they were extremely helpful and it was a great experience shopping around.
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  2. tigger

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    If it played beautifully for $1100, I'd immediately get it.
     
  3. SoCal Flood

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    Thanks tigger... should I be worried about the rusted pickup pole screws? I won’t wanna buy it if they’ll need replacing anytime soon.
     
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    You mean the (steel) pole screws? I'd take them out and clean off the rust but leave them be otherwise.
     
  5. charlie chitlins

    charlie chitlins Senior Member

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    Bridge P90s often have rust on the poles. It's no biggie.
    Everybody knows a player should be less than half of an original, but you seldom find them for that.
    I'd say if you love it and it seems like a keeper, it's a good price.
    It looks like a bit of a clumsy refin, but if you can live with it...
    And..yeah...that neck has quite a taper towards the nut...probably shaved like they said.
    For me, I can't get by with a Jr.
    If I have one pickup, it has to be in the middle or by the neck...I need more honk than I can get from a bridge pickup alone; they just sound thin until you crank it and get some gain going. But if you're a rocker and can get by on the bridge pickup alone...there's just something about that old wood, and many of us have to get a "player".
    My '65 Firebird III (non-reverse, P90s) doesn't have as many issues, but it's certainly not collector grade, but it's just so cool to play...yeah, it's got a skinny neck and it's been Schallered, etc...but...SIXTY-FIVE FIREBIRD, BABY!
    If it's calling your name...do it.
    IMO it's pretty safe to say that if the romance wears off, you should be able to get your money back.
    Even if you lose 2 or 300, call it the price of renting a cool guitar.
     
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    charlie chitlins Senior Member

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    A quick search on the web shows a few Jrs. of similar vintage with binding...all of them white.
    Hey...if you miss the neck pickup, that one is buggered up enough that you wouldn't have to feel like a molester if you put a neck pickup in it!
    And the serial number is till there...that's a GOOD thing!
     
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    I swear I've seen that guitar recently, the black finish & shaved neck are giving me de ja vu...
    If fully functioning, & vintage wood...1100. is good in my book.
     
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  8. Bobby Mahogany

    Bobby Mahogany Senior Member

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    What are you waiting for?

    Just buy it!!!
    :thumb:
     
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  9. bossaddict

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    I like that! Maybe offer them $1000. If they won't budge, go for it anyway.

    It's funny you thought we would talk you out of anything.
     
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    Hurry up and buy the damn thing before I do.
     
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    If you want to be talked out of it, I can't help ya. And I wouldn't clean those poles, or anything else for that matter.
     
  12. deadlyweasel

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    Very well documented that a certain number of 65' SG jrs came with bound necks. They all came in white so you know for sure its been refin. You would be hard up to find another 65 jr for that price.
     
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    Pic of the Junior in your living room or you're banned!
     
  14. Wailing

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    Buy buy buy
     
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    Thanks for the thoughtful response. Lots of great points here. I’m happy with how it plays and actually love the look, I just needed to know that I wasn’t getting taken on the price. This was my first opportunity to get quality time with a properly set up vintage Gibson and I gotta say there’s something about the wood or blood sweat and tears it’s seen or something. It just sings.
     
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    Great idea on adding a neck pickup, I’m totally open to that should I feel something’s missing.

    I should of known better!

    Thanks for the heads up on the bound neck. Wasn’t a huge deal to me but glad to know it’s an original neck.

    I’m working on it! Just got the thumbs up from my fiancé to divert some funds from the wedding stash... I’d say she’s a keeper! Gonna head over first thing in the morning to offer $1k and see if they’ll bite. Gonna leave with it either way.
     
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    Thanks for the onslaught of wisdom and enthusiasm folks! Made my decision easy:cheers:
     
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  18. deadlyweasel

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    A 60s jr harness can be had for I would say around 100$ ask them to pull the cover and look. It should look like this. 0511171628.jpg
     
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    Thank you sir.
     
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  20. bossaddict

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    I personally don't think it would be a deal breaker on this guitar, but here's my '65 SG Jr. harness if it helps.

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    EDIT: @deadlyweasel beat me to it. :)
     

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