Why Doesn't America Do Vintage The Best?

gtrmaker · 11-06-2009, 04:35 PM

I've often wondered why most of the best vintage related material doesn't come from America where most of the instruments reside? For example:

1) The best 'burst book comes from Japan (I don't know where the 'Burst Gang book was from?)
2) The best Fender Blackguard book comes from Spain (NOT France)
3) The best Loar mandolin construction plans come from Slovakia
4) The best 'burst plans soon to come from Sweden
5) Some of the best vintage LP clone parts comes from England & Japan
6) The best 'burst repro wood comes from Canada
7) One of the best Fender clone builders is from Israel

etc...etc...etc

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that someone somewhere has done these things, but I'm just surprised that they weren't done in America where most of the instruments reside.

BTW: I've been posting vintage LP build questions in the Luthiers Forum and it almost seems that the experts don't want to share or maybe you just don't visit that neighborhood?

River · 11-06-2009, 04:46 PM

I wouldn't doubt if there were more enthusiasm for vintage British automobiles outside the UK as well. Same principle, I'm guessing.

I believe there are quite a few vintage experts around these parts who don't frequent the Luthier's forum.

R8R6Ben · 11-06-2009, 06:47 PM

Yeah but here in Japan you have to search for good shops... most of the shops don't have any actual Gibson gear, just knockoff's. And while there is great repro parts from here good luck finding it in any of the shops, all I ever see is the pinkish plastic like on the historics.

Atomic · 11-06-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrmaker

I've often wondered why most of the best vintage related material doesn't come from America where most of the instruments reside? For example:

1) The best 'burst book comes from Japan (I don't know where the 'Burst Gang book was from?)
2) The best Fender Blackguard book comes from France
3) The best Loar mandolin construction plans come from Slovakia
4) The best 'burst plans soon to come from Sweden
5) Some of the best vintage LP clone parts comes from England & Japan
6) The best 'burst repro wood comes from Canada
7) One of the best Fender clone builders is from Israel

etc...etc...etc

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that someone somewhere has done these things, but I'm just surprised that they weren't done in America where most of the instruments reside.

BTW: I've been posting vintage LP build questions in the Luthiers Forum and it almost seems that the experts don't want to share or maybe you just don't visit that neighborhood?

because unfortunately most people in america are buying rap cds and trying to "get crunk."

LPinmydreams · 11-06-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

because unfortunately most people in america are buying rap cds and trying to "get crunk."

This

FennRx · 11-06-2009, 10:16 PM

you arent looking hard enough.

at least we build the guitars.

banditguitarist1 · 11-06-2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FennRx

you arent looking hard enough.

at least we build the guitars.

I agree with Fenn,
America does do vintage best, sure maybe other countries do better studies of OUR vintage equipment but who cares if Japan writes a book on AMERICAN made guitars

The question should be why doesnt America do better research on its vintage equipment.

R8R6Ben · 11-07-2009, 03:51 AM

and also Bandit, a good question is, with all of our technology why can they not just study as many Burst examples as possible and come out with perfect replica's?

Nils · 11-07-2009, 07:42 AM

I think Gibson is lazy for not making a better reissue. It's not that hard to do the correct tailpiece placement, is it? Gibson should order the fret inlays from the factory that used to make them, and build the pickups about the same as they used to in the 50's.

I guess it will have a not-so-nice pricetag, but at least they'd produce something that actually is VOS.

***b-squared*** · 11-07-2009, 07:49 AM

PM sent...

BTW...the USA has the best LP 'doppleganger' builders inthe business.

I'd put up one of Roman's guitars against anyone; in addition, if you haven't seen a guitar built by Mike DeTemple (google it) then you haven't seen perhaps the best Fender-style guitars on the planet.

BB

Sgt.Pepper · 11-07-2009, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrmaker

I've often wondered why most of the best vintage related material doesn't come from America where most of the instruments reside? For example:

1) The best 'burst book comes from Japan (I don't know where the 'Burst Gang book was from?)
2) The best Fender Blackguard book comes from France
3) The best Loar mandolin construction plans come from Slovakia
4) The best 'burst plans soon to come from Sweden
5) Some of the best vintage LP clone parts comes from England & Japan
6) The best 'burst repro wood comes from Canada
7) One of the best Fender clone builders is from Israel

etc...etc...etc

Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that someone somewhere has done these things, but I'm just surprised that they weren't done in America where most of the instruments reside.

BTW: I've been posting vintage LP build questions in the Luthiers Forum and it almost seems that the experts don't want to share or maybe you just don't visit that neighborhood?

Burst Gang is also from Japan.

I'm curious to know about this French Fender Blackguard book. Where do you get it and what is better about it than the one compiled by Nacho?

gtrmaker · 11-07-2009, 10:18 AM

My bad Sarge. Nacho is the man and he's from Spain. Excellent book! We really need a 'Burst book done like that. I wish that Ganzler, CD, Tom W., Uncle Lou, etc. would do one.

Thanks for the correction. I have corrected my original post.

xsouldriverx · 11-07-2009, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

PM sent...

BTW...the USA has the best LP 'doppleganger' builders inthe business.

I'd put up one of Roman's guitars against anyone; in addition, if you haven't seen a guitar built by Mike DeTemple (google it) then you haven't seen perhaps the best Fender-style guitars on the planet.

BB

and two of the most renowned guys for conversions work in the US too.

gtrmaker · 11-07-2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

PM sent...

BTW...the USA has the best LP 'doppleganger' builders inthe business.

I'd put up one of Roman's guitars against anyone; in addition, if you haven't seen a guitar built by Mike DeTemple (google it) then you haven't seen perhaps the best Fender-style guitars on the planet.

BB

PM received and objected to.

I hope you're happy!

All talented people but your opinion's yours and judging by the wanton censorship you've shown me I refuse to comment further. This post was not ment to pit artist against artist.

Mprice · 11-07-2009, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b-squared

I'd put up one of Roman's guitars against anyone; in addition, if you haven't seen a guitar built by Mike DeTemple (google it) then you haven't seen perhaps the best Fender-style guitars on the planet.

BB

Sgt.Pepper · 11-07-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtrmaker

My bad Sarge. Nacho is the man and he's from Spain. Excellent book! We really need a 'Burst book done like that. I wish that Ganzler, CD, Tom W., Uncle Lou, etc. would do one.

Why don't you do one? Really, I'm serious. You'd have to get some really good photo equipment and travel the world, but I'm sure (in fact I know) there are alot of nice guys out there with Bursts that would gladly talk with you for hours about their guitars, and for a quantity of the finished book, would let you photograph and doccument their guitars. Don't forget to include a CD of the guitars being played. You could always do a joint effort with several people in different parts of the world to help it happen faster

Mprice · 11-07-2009, 04:50 PM

What is a doppleganger? And why on earth is it called that?

i am wet · 11-08-2009, 07:10 PM

America built 'em, and the rest of the world wants them.

huw · 11-09-2009, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mprice

What is a doppleganger? And why on earth is it called that?

It means a double. It's from the German language, & I believe the literal translation would be "double-goer" or something like that.

11-06-2009, 04:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
gtrmaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 101 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Why Doesn't America Do Vintage The Best? I've often wondered why most of the best vintage related material doesn't come from America where most of the instruments reside? For example: 1) The best 'burst book comes from Japan (I don't know where the 'Burst Gang book was from?) 2) The best Fender Blackguard book comes from Spain (NOT France) 3) The best Loar mandolin construction plans come from Slovakia 4) The best 'burst plans soon to come from Sweden 5) Some of the best vintage LP clone parts comes from England & Japan 6) The best 'burst repro wood comes from Canada 7) One of the best Fender clone builders is from Israel etc...etc...etc Don't get me wrong. I'm glad that someone somewhere has done these things, but I'm just surprised that they weren't done in America where most of the instruments reside. BTW: I've been posting vintage LP build questions in the Luthiers Forum and it almost seems that the experts don't want to share or maybe you just don't visit that neighborhood? Last edited by gtrmaker; 11-07-2009 at 10:19 AM.

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River Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Crestone, Colorado, USA Posts: 12,960 Thanks: 94 Thanked 134 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Why Doesn't America Do Vintage The Best? I wouldn't doubt if there were more enthusiasm for vintage British automobiles outside the UK as well. Same principle, I'm guessing. I believe there are quite a few vintage experts around these parts who don't frequent the Luthier's forum. __________________ When you don't know where you're going, every road takes you there. And you can't make a wrong turn. Rory Gallagher is "The man who got me back into the blues." - Eric Clapton

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Nils Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Heerhugowaard, N-H, Netherlands Posts: 397 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Why Doesn't America Do Vintage The Best? I think Gibson is lazy for not making a better reissue. It's not that hard to do the correct tailpiece placement, is it? Gibson should order the fret inlays from the factory that used to make them, and build the pickups about the same as they used to in the 50's. I guess it will have a not-so-nice pricetag, but at least they'd produce something that actually is VOS. __________________ 2007 Epiphone Les Paul Std HCS (Irongear Hot Slag pickups + Spague Orange Drops + new wiring) 2006 J&D LS-1 CS (Epiphone pickups + Sprague Orange Drops) 2009 Fender CD-60CE BLK 2005 Behringer Strat Starter wreck (in parts, refinishing it some day) (u/s) Old cracked nylon acoustic (u/s) Fame T64RS Tube Behringer GM108 Boss OS-2

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gtrmaker Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 101 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Why Doesn't America Do Vintage The Best? My bad Sarge. Nacho is the man and he's from Spain. Excellent book! We really need a 'Burst book done like that. I wish that Ganzler, CD, Tom W., Uncle Lou, etc. would do one. Thanks for the correction. I have corrected my original post.

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