How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument?

kodax · 10-20-2009, 11:12 PM

If I buy a $10K vintage guitar, and the neck breaks in the shipping, how much would it be worth after a repair?

diceman · 10-20-2009, 11:20 PM

What guitar?

If done by someone like BCRGreg (invisible repair) - maybe $8k. A solid but ugly repair, maybe $7k.

Know what you're starting with would help, though!

kodax · 10-21-2009, 02:26 AM

It's a late sixties LPC. If were not talking about more than a 20-30% reduction, I guess I'm willing to take the risk.

benjammin420 · 10-21-2009, 02:28 AM

are you expecting it'll break during shipping? id get insurance for that

River · 10-21-2009, 02:57 AM

Why would you not expect to receive it with no damager whatsoever, and if there were any damage get ALL of your money back via insurance? Are you interested in a game of Russian Roulette?

kodax · 10-21-2009, 04:57 AM

I've never bought instruments on the net before, but insurance sounds like the right thing.

I guess that's something the seller asks for when he ships the item?
The seller is giving the options of "USPS Priority Mail International" or "USPS Express Mail International", and to me it looks like they only insure up to $5000... (USPS - International Extra Services)

benjammin420 · 10-21-2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kodax

I guess that's something the seller asks for when he ships the item?
The seller is giving the options of "USPS Priority Mail International" or "USPS Express Mail International", and to me it looks like they only insure up to $5000... (USPS - International Extra Services)

maybe you could talk him into using another courier with more appropriate coverage. you are paying him a bunch of money after all

charveldan · 10-21-2009, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kodax

If I buy a $10K vintage guitar, and the neck breaks in the shipping, how much would it be worth after a repair?

At that point your pretty much screwed.

JimmyAce2006 · 10-26-2009, 02:37 PM

50% and at that point it is no longer a collector grade guitar, but it is a player grade

lpcustom69 · 10-26-2009, 07:55 PM

Neck cracks have never bothered me, if they're properly repaired. I believe that it's stronger than an unrepaired neck.

Most of the guitars that I've lusted after, Page's, Allman's, and Rossingtons, all have had headstock cracks. Definitely doesn't affect the sound, or playability.

That being said, my guess is 25%, and I would get it insured before shipping to recoup any potential loss. Make sure that they double boxit.

Mike60 · 10-26-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

50% and at that point it is no longer a collector grade guitar, but it is a player grade

+1

and almost impossible to sell for any kind of decent money...

1959burst · 10-26-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

+1

and almost impossible to sell for any kind of decent money...

exactly

diceman · 10-26-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike60

+1

and almost impossible to sell for any kind of decent money...

Which is where I come in and buy it off of you dirt cheap, and then play the crap out of it.

delawaregold · 10-26-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by diceman

Which is where I come in and buy it off of you dirt cheap, and then play the crap out of it.

+1
A Vintage guitar you can actually enjoy.

EDIT: That didn't come out right, but you know what I mean.

diceman · 10-26-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by delawaregold

+1
A Vintage guitar you can actually enjoy.

Hell yes! I want to go back in time and thank the guy who dropped my '67 ES335 on its face. If it weren't for that headstock repair and general hard use (neglect? not in my book), I couldn't have afforded it, and wouldn't be playing the absolute dogshit out of that beautiful and phenomenal sounding vintage guitar!!

Same with the guy who refinished my '69 Les Paul. God Bless that guy as well!

Mike60 · 10-26-2009, 10:04 PM

FWIW...

I got my '59 Special TV with the beat old gator case for $1,999 US plus shipping...refinned( eighties?),neck shave,headstock repair,refretted at least once .Weighs about six and a half pounds,was gigged heavily for years.
Parts alone are worth what I paid for it as most if it is original.Most comfortable guitar I know of and yeah,it sounds really great.

diceman · 10-26-2009, 10:15 PM

Hell yeah, Mike!

My 335

Mike60 · 10-27-2009, 07:21 PM

flameburst · 10-28-2009, 05:07 AM

Regarding vintage guitars - it depends entirely on the model. Gibson made thousands of Juniors and Specials and Goldtops. Black Beauties - they made less of them than 'bursts. The hit on the value depends on how well the repair is done, who it's done by, and who knows about it!

I'd say between 20% and 40% reduction in value depending on the guitar in question.

lpcustom69 · 10-28-2009, 03:07 PM

Sweet guitars Mike60 and diceman! Great vintage guitars that are affordable, and still rock out.

bosrocker51 · 11-06-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

50% and at that point it is no longer a collector grade guitar, but it is a player grade

I second that motion. For resale or market value, a full headstock break can devalue 50%, a partial break (visible from back only) still devalues 20-30% IMO... hope the axe got to you AOK.

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diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16,331 Thanks: 308 Thanked 91 Times in 32 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? What guitar? If done by someone like BCRGreg (invisible repair) - maybe $8k. A solid but ugly repair, maybe $7k. Know what you're starting with would help, though! __________________ My Band: www.comeupswingingmusic.com or www.myspace.com/comeupswinging

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10-21-2009, 04:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
kodax Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? I've never bought instruments on the net before, but insurance sounds like the right thing. I guess that's something the seller asks for when he ships the item? The seller is giving the options of "USPS Priority Mail International" or "USPS Express Mail International", and to me it looks like they only insure up to $5000... (USPS - International Extra Services)

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JimmyAce2006 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,712 Thanks: 2 Thanked 65 Times in 19 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? 50% and at that point it is no longer a collector grade guitar, but it is a player grade

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lpcustom69 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 255 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? Neck cracks have never bothered me, if they're properly repaired. I believe that it's stronger than an unrepaired neck. Most of the guitars that I've lusted after, Page's, Allman's, and Rossingtons, all have had headstock cracks. Definitely doesn't affect the sound, or playability. That being said, my guess is 25%, and I would get it insured before shipping to recoup any potential loss. Make sure that they double boxit.

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Mike60 V.I.P. Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Reflectorland Posts: 4,524 Thanks: 0 Thanked 27 Times in 12 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? FWIW... I got my '59 Special TV with the beat old gator case for $1,999 US plus shipping...refinned( eighties?),neck shave,headstock repair,refretted at least once .Weighs about six and a half pounds,was gigged heavily for years. Parts alone are worth what I paid for it as most if it is original.Most comfortable guitar I know of and yeah,it sounds really great.

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diceman V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16,331 Thanks: 308 Thanked 91 Times in 32 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? Hell yeah, Mike! My 335 __________________ My Band: www.comeupswingingmusic.com or www.myspace.com/comeupswinging

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flameburst Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Inbetween the pink plush Posts: 535 Thanks: 8 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? Regarding vintage guitars - it depends entirely on the model. Gibson made thousands of Juniors and Specials and Goldtops. Black Beauties - they made less of them than 'bursts. The hit on the value depends on how well the repair is done, who it's done by, and who knows about it! I'd say between 20% and 40% reduction in value depending on the guitar in question. __________________ flameburst MY THREE HISTORICS 1997 - R9 Monster top: "THE WILD ONE" 2003 - R9 Yamano Ultra-aged Murphy: "OL' TANG" 2003 - R0 Brazilian (First production model): "DOUBLE 07" aka "LUCKY SEVEN"

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lpcustom69 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 255 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How much does a neckbreak reduce the value on a vintage instrument? Sweet guitars Mike60 and diceman! Great vintage guitars that are affordable, and still rock out.

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