Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? - Page 4

billy · 07-01-2009, 08:34 PM

They should DNA test it, whoever has the most DNA on it keeps it...
(Gary Moore)......

Ace Warslave · 07-01-2009, 08:36 PM

mmm i had my ibanez iceman stolen,it turned up in a shop in melbourne..my girl friend at the time had a uncle who was a sargent in the police..he went to the store they refused to give the guitar back cause i didnt have any proof of purchase,i did have a photo of me with the guitar..the 9 tenths of law seem to wotk for them...

JimmyAce2006 · 07-01-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Warslave

mmm i had my ibanez iceman stolen,it turned up in a shop in melbourne..my girl friend at the time had a uncle who was a sargent in the police..he went to the store they refused to give the guitar back cause i didnt have any proof of purchase,i did have a photo of me with the guitar..the 9 tenths of law seem to wotk for them...

Yes, but you do need to prove it was yours. Ronnie has many witnesses including the guy who sold it to him.

tele52 · 07-01-2009, 11:11 PM

It's Moore's guitar. He bought it , it's his. Has Montrose been in a coma? or trying to get people to notice him again.

JimmyAce2006 · 07-01-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tele52

It's Moore's guitar. He bought it , it's his. Has Montrose been in a coma? or trying to get people to notice him again.

ok, so someone steals your guitar, sells it to an honest guy and so it isn't your guitar anymore?

Fletch · 07-02-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by tele52

It's Moore's guitar. He bought it , it's his. Has Montrose been in a coma? or trying to get people to notice him again.

You must have been the kid in the neighborhood with the spraypainted bike and the numbers beat off with a claw hammer.

It's NOT Moore's guitar. Yes he bought it, but it was STOLEN PROPERTY when he bought it. The guy that sold it to him never had title to transfer, therefore Moore never had title to it to begin with.

Moore needs to give it back and go after the dealer that sold it to him. Then Moore should start figuring out how to compensate Montrose for all the damage he caused to it while under his care, ie the repairs from the car crash and whatever else he did to it. There is actually a good legal argument to be made for this.

Can I borrow your lawnmower?

fletch

Mark H · 07-02-2009, 01:08 PM

HEY I just went out to mow the lawn and............dam my lawnmower is missing???

Fletch · 07-02-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark H

HEY I just went out to mow the lawn and............dam my lawnmower is missing???

yeah it's here. I bought it used this morning from a dealer. That was 9:00am and you didn't ask about it until 1:08pm so I'm keeping it. Four hours, 20 years, whatever... it's all the same.

later I'm going to spraypaint it and beat the numbers off with a claw hammer.

fletch

chastings · 07-02-2009, 07:52 PM

Quite the dilemma, 2 great guitarists have been fucked as the result of a thief. I couldn't imagine giving up a guitar I have cherished for 20 years. It would take some serious testicular fortitude to hand over that axe without a fight. If Montroses story is true, it is rightfully his; however, the law can be strange.............. sucks

vladmaximus · 07-03-2009, 12:38 AM

hmmm...ok okk...dont have to fight ok....

like this...

i should keep it ok...

hahahhahahahahahahahaaaaaaa....

olschoolblues · 07-03-2009, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ledfree

+1 for Gary Moore. Ronnie Montrose as known that G M may have had the stolen burst for over ten years. So you have to ask your self, why as it took so long to bring any action against Moore.
The only conclusion I can come up with. He as realised the value of the guitar and his looking for a pay day. IMO.

i couldnt have said it better

troyvod · 07-03-2009, 03:45 AM

As you know we all get attached to our instruments.
Gary bought this guitar 20 years ago in good faith, and has no doubt has a lot of emotional investment in it. Where as Ronnie owned it for 18 months 35 years ago.
First off who sold it to Gary, can they trace back and hopefully find the original thief?
Second. Gary should definately keep it after all these years, but flick some $$$$ to Ronnie.
Does Ronnie even still own his replacement burst?
Yeah it's a shitty thing being robbed, but 35 years later, Ronnie should get over it to a degree!

heavy blueser · 07-03-2009, 04:56 AM

from the pov of the law gary could keep it- though that may be vary cause I´m no expert in US law.
i mean montrose cant even 100 percent prove it, can he?-so i think gary can keep it.
plus he made the better music with it ha ha

Fletch · 07-03-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by troyvod

As you know we all get attached to our instruments.
Gary bought this guitar 20 years ago in good faith, and has no doubt has a lot of emotional investment in it. Where as Ronnie owned it for 18 months 35 years ago.
First off who sold it to Gary, can they trace back and hopefully find the original thief?
Second. Gary should definately keep it after all these years, but flick some $$$$ to Ronnie.
Does Ronnie even still own his replacement burst?
Yeah it's a shitty thing being robbed, but 35 years later, Ronnie should get over it to a degree!

In all seriousness, I believe Moore purchased it from a dealer in the UK. That dealer purchased it from (none other than) Tom Whittrock of LPF fame. Whittrock is the one who surfaced it in the states. This according to what I read in the LPF, before that thread went away (or backstage?). If I have my facts wrong, please correct me.

fletch

stinger · 07-03-2009, 09:34 AM

Here's a thought. GM has sold a few of his bursts but not this one. Why? Could be his favorite. Or, maybe because it's hot! Who would buy this thing knowing it could go back to RM? If I had the money to buy a burst I wouldn't touch this one for any price. Right now this burst is worthless to anyone besides GM and RM.

I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a previous owner knew it was hot and got what they could for it while they could. Montrose had been searching for this guitar ever since it was stolen and had a few leads here and there before he actually located it, so word had been out there for some time possibly tipping off an owner to dump it before it was found.

JimmyAce2006 · 07-03-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by heavy blueser

from the pov of the law gary could keep it- though that may be vary cause I´m no expert in US law.
i mean montrose cant even 100 percent prove it, can he?-so i think gary can keep it.
plus he made the better music with it ha ha

Yes, Montrose can 100% prove it. So does that change your vote?

JimmyAce2006 · 07-03-2009, 10:47 AM

I can not believe how many people think it is okay to keep stolen property.....I think it just shows their loyalty to Moore rather than justice. If this had to do with some other kind of tangible item, I think the poll would be different.

River · 07-03-2009, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

I can not believe how many people think it is okay to keep stolen property.....I think it just shows their loyalty to Moore rather than justice. If this had to do with some other kind of tangible item, I think the poll would be different.

Remarkable, isn't it? I don't think it would have to be a different item, it would just have to be theirs.

Looks like less than half the folks here at MLP can be trusted with my weed-whacker.

JimmyAce2006 · 07-03-2009, 12:17 PM

I think the guitar should be given to Jimmy Page so that Gibson can make a Page #3. Although Jimmy has a lot of guitars, to my knowledge he only has two bursts. Gibson is allegedly in the process of remaking Page #2. And they have already remade his #1 and the double neck and the black LP Custom. An argument could be made for remaking his red LP. But I would rather have a Page #3 burst. So there you have it. Give it to Jimmy.

stinger · 07-03-2009, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimmyAce2006

I can not believe how many people think it is okay to keep stolen property.....I think it just shows their loyalty to Moore rather than justice. If this had to do with some other kind of tangible item, I think the poll would be different.

The MLP would be the last place to look for impartial jurors!

Stolen property should always be returned to the owner. Whether the owner is bad, good or ugly, it makes no difference at all. All that is needed is the proof. Failure to do this only legitimizes theft.

If the guitar is returned to Montrose, as I believe it should, Gary Moore would also become a victim unfortunately. But, none the less, it should be done because right is right and wrong is wrong.

weirdotis · 07-03-2009, 12:26 PM

I think legally it's Montroses guitar, but I still want Gary to have it.

Fletch · 07-04-2009, 12:24 AM

I think this has turned into the Gary Moore fan club post. I am utterly appalled at the villianization of Ronnie Montrose for wanting to get his stolen property back. It's pathetic behavior in my opinion to make excuses for why Gary Moore should keep it.

Anybody who voted for Gary Moore should send to me their Les Paul and their weed whacker.

fletch

JimmyAce2006 · 07-04-2009, 12:06 PM

+1

stinger · 07-04-2009, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch

I think this has turned into the Gary Moore fan club post. I am utterly appalled at the villianization of Ronnie Montrose for wanting to get his stolen property back. It's pathetic behavior in my opinion to make excuses for why Gary Moore should keep it.

Anybody who voted for Gary Moore should send to me their Les Paul and their weed whacker.

fletch

Yeah, exactly!

I don't care if Montrose had it stolen 100 years ago. It is stolen property and should be returned to the owner. What Gary Moore did with it on stage or in the studio is totally 100% irrelevant. Whether you like either player or hate either player is irrelevant. How long either guy had the guitar is also irrelevant. If Gary Moore had it for 20 years it means he gets to keep it? Are you kidding me? If I were to steal Pages' #1 and hid it for 20 years I would get to keep it? HELL NO!

It may have made a difference if Ronnie abandoned the search and gave it up for lost, but I don't believe he ever did that. I have never heard of anyone searching for a stolen guitar as much as Ronnie has.

The bottom line is: Should a guy who had something stolen from him have that item returned to him if it shows up one day or should someone else get to keep it.

The answer would be clear cut. The item should be returned. The wrinkle in this case is that the guy who has possesion of it now bought it and did not steal it. As sad as it is, the guy who bought it was buying stolen merchandise. Although unknown at the time, it is not ok to buy stolen property. If you are found to have stolen property, you forfit that property. You are not allowed to have stolen property. This is why GM should not get the guitar. He unwittingly purchased stolen goods.

diceman · 07-04-2009, 02:45 PM

(Just throwing in some support for the points that Jimmy/Fletch/Stinger are making... I agree 100% - and I'd let you guys borrow my weed whacker).

brimay · 07-05-2009, 03:11 AM

Just cut the guitar in half and give the two a piece.

Problem solved.

stinger · 07-05-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by brimay

Just cut the guitar in half and give the two a piece.

Problem solved.

Yeah, just like King Soloman.

Fletch · 07-05-2009, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brimay

Just cut the guitar in half and give the two a piece.

Problem solved.

Gary Moore already did cut it in half. With his car.

fletch

billy · 07-05-2009, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch

Gary Moore already did cut it in half. With his car.

fletch

Did something happen to this guitar too???.... i thought it was "greeny" that got bust up in the car accident...

Fletch · 07-05-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by billy

Did something happen to this guitar too???.... i thought it was "greeny" that got bust up in the car accident...

Was it? I could be mistaken... I'm sure someone here will know.

fletch

View Poll Results: Your opinion on who should get 9-2227 "stripe"
Gary Moore	70	51.85%
Ronnie Montrose	65	48.15%
Voters: 135. You may not vote on this poll

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Ace Warslave Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 237 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? mmm i had my ibanez iceman stolen,it turned up in a shop in melbourne..my girl friend at the time had a uncle who was a sargent in the police..he went to the store they refused to give the guitar back cause i didnt have any proof of purchase,i did have a photo of me with the guitar..the 9 tenths of law seem to wotk for them...

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07-02-2009, 07:52 PM	#99 (permalink)
chastings Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: nc Posts: 38 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? Quite the dilemma, 2 great guitarists have been fucked as the result of a thief. I couldn't imagine giving up a guitar I have cherished for 20 years. It would take some serious testicular fortitude to hand over that axe without a fight. If Montroses story is true, it is rightfully his; however, the law can be strange.............. sucks __________________ The indiscriminate use of vulgar language is the linguistic crutch for the inarticulate motherfu**er

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troyvod Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? As you know we all get attached to our instruments. Gary bought this guitar 20 years ago in good faith, and has no doubt has a lot of emotional investment in it. Where as Ronnie owned it for 18 months 35 years ago. First off who sold it to Gary, can they trace back and hopefully find the original thief? Second. Gary should definately keep it after all these years, but flick some $$$$ to Ronnie. Does Ronnie even still own his replacement burst? Yeah it's a shitty thing being robbed, but 35 years later, Ronnie should get over it to a degree!

07-03-2009, 04:56 AM	#103 (permalink)
heavy blueser Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 456 Thanks: 1 Thanked 29 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? from the pov of the law gary could keep it- though that may be vary cause I´m no expert in US law. i mean montrose cant even 100 percent prove it, can he?-so i think gary can keep it. plus he made the better music with it ha ha __________________ I told you mister I ain't got no house Ain't got no car I got me a 1950(s) Les Paul guitar Last edited by heavy blueser; 07-03-2009 at 08:21 AM.

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stinger Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hartford, Wi Posts: 1,403 Thanks: 84 Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? Here's a thought. GM has sold a few of his bursts but not this one. Why? Could be his favorite. Or, maybe because it's hot! Who would buy this thing knowing it could go back to RM? If I had the money to buy a burst I wouldn't touch this one for any price. Right now this burst is worthless to anyone besides GM and RM. I wouldn't be shocked to find out that a previous owner knew it was hot and got what they could for it while they could. Montrose had been searching for this guitar ever since it was stolen and had a few leads here and there before he actually located it, so word had been out there for some time possibly tipping off an owner to dump it before it was found. __________________ Steve

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JimmyAce2006 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,591 Thanks: 2 Thanked 51 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? I can not believe how many people think it is okay to keep stolen property.....I think it just shows their loyalty to Moore rather than justice. If this had to do with some other kind of tangible item, I think the poll would be different.

07-03-2009, 12:17 PM	#109 (permalink)
JimmyAce2006 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,591 Thanks: 2 Thanked 51 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? I think the guitar should be given to Jimmy Page so that Gibson can make a Page #3. Although Jimmy has a lot of guitars, to my knowledge he only has two bursts. Gibson is allegedly in the process of remaking Page #2. And they have already remade his #1 and the double neck and the black LP Custom. An argument could be made for remaking his red LP. But I would rather have a Page #3 burst. So there you have it. Give it to Jimmy.

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Fletch Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 754 Thanks: 1 Thanked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? I think this has turned into the Gary Moore fan club post. I am utterly appalled at the villianization of Ronnie Montrose for wanting to get his stolen property back. It's pathetic behavior in my opinion to make excuses for why Gary Moore should keep it. Anybody who voted for Gary Moore should send to me their Les Paul and their weed whacker. fletch

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JimmyAce2006 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,591 Thanks: 2 Thanked 51 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Poll: Moore or Montrose who should keep it?? +1

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