50s LP Special neck pup cavity

kdm · 05-05-2012, 08:31 AM

does this look alright to you.....?

jimi55lp · 05-05-2012, 10:47 AM

No, the treble side has been chiseled out. The table that the p90 sits on should go across the neck side down to the treble side connecting with the bridge side of the route, the wire channel looks correct. Easy to fix if you have a router.

kdm · 05-05-2012, 11:15 AM

thanks so much, I wasn't aware that the P-90 sits on a table....

SKATTERBRANE · 05-05-2012, 11:30 AM

Normally you can see the neck tenon joint south of the pickup route too. What is this? (I am thinking about the DC version)

kdm · 05-05-2012, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Normally you can see the neck tenon joint south of the pickup route too. What is this? (I am thinking about the DC version)

This is a single cut. There are only few pics of LP Specials cavities in the net. The pics I saw, the cavities all look different....

SKATTERBRANE · 05-05-2012, 12:43 PM

Cherry single cuts from the 50's are fairly rare.

kdm · 05-05-2012, 01:38 PM

even Hendrix played one....

kdm · 05-05-2012, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Cherry single cuts from the 50's are fairly rare.

the guitar has been refinished in cherry red long ago....

SKATTERBRANE · 05-05-2012, 04:57 PM

Ah! That makes sense. I wonder if it was a Junior reworked? Rerouted and binding etc?

kdm · 05-05-2012, 05:36 PM

found a pic where the pup table is intact.....:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Ah! That makes sense. I wonder if it was a Junior reworked? Rerouted and binding etc?

as far as I know it always was a Special, only refinished.

HOT-BRIT · 05-05-2012, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skatterbrane

ah! That makes sense. I wonder if it was a junior reworked? Rerouted and binding etc?

could well be

retrobob · 05-05-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kdm

even Hendrix played one....

I'm pretty sure Hendrix is playing the Special that I now own.

Or at least one that looks like mine.

jimi55lp · 05-06-2012, 03:13 PM

Like mine too!

kdm · 05-06-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jimi55lp

Like mine too!

c'mon lets see your LP Specials...

dwagar · 05-06-2012, 03:55 PM

might be just the pic, but that one Jimi is playing looks like a dark wheat color.

kdm · 05-06-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dwagar

might be just the pic, but that one Jimi is playing looks like a dark wheat color.

this photo shows me a TV yell

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Mantis · 05-06-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by retrobob

I'm pretty sure Hendrix is playing the Special that I now own.

Or at least one that looks like mine.

that would be very cool, i know the "Wind Cries Mary" sounds quite stellar on a special.

kdm · 05-08-2012, 07:30 PM

for comparison the pup cavity of a 54 LP Goldtop......the tenon is clearly visible.

12watt · 05-09-2012, 08:31 AM

Mysterious. Maybe it had a mini humbucker fitted at one time?

Danelectro · 05-09-2012, 09:13 AM

A singlecut Special has a box neck joint like a SC Junior so there is no long tenon.

jimi55lp · 05-09-2012, 11:16 AM

What Danelectro said! Sad but true. The neck joint is why single cut Juniors and Specials are hard to convert to Standards.

kdm · 05-09-2012, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimi55lp

What Danelectro said! Sad but true. The neck joint is why single cut Juniors and Specials are hard to convert to Standards.

some conversions exists, but I have never seen one......

58 special · 05-09-2012, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kdm

some conversions exists, but I have never seen one......

One was the topic of a thread here several months ago.
It was for sale cant recall where or by who.
Stupid amount of work in the process.
I remember BCR greg saying how a perfectly good special was destroyed

kdm · 05-10-2012, 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58 special

I remember BCR greg saying how a perfectly good special was destroyed

that's what always bothers me, when I think about conversions....

jimi55lp · 05-10-2012, 12:43 PM

That was the Burst conversion on Ebay that's a 1956 Special converted to a Standard that I believe is listed now. The hardest thing about converting Juniors and Specials to Standards is the neck joint has no tennon and the neck joint is cut even with the sides and the end of the fretboard. JR & Special models have extra wood extended below the fretboard at the top of the cutaway, and if this is removed to trim it flush to the necks edge, it will expose the neck pocket. The neck has to be trimmed to a notch along that bottom edge to allow the neck to be remounted a bit lower and over lap the extra wood on the cutaway ang allow the shaving down to flush with the heal to give the look of a Standards neck set. If you want it to look like it has a long tennon, you have to trim/notch the end of the neck joint to allow a false tennon to glue under the necks end. This all looks fine if done well, but who would want it? I'd only convert a GT for this very reason.

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jimi55lp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity No, the treble side has been chiseled out. The table that the p90 sits on should go across the neck side down to the treble side connecting with the bridge side of the route, the wire channel looks correct. Easy to fix if you have a router. kdm likes this.

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kdm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 50° 4' 0" North, 7° 46' 0" East Posts: 1,302 Thanks: 48 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity thanks so much, I wasn't aware that the P-90 sits on a table.... __________________ .....those glorious instruments are often mocked for having all the suttelty of a sledge hammer and the dynamic range of a chainsaw, a jangling noise machine..... After all they only made so many guitars, and they ain't makin' any more.

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kdm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 50° 4' 0" North, 7° 46' 0" East Posts: 1,302 Thanks: 48 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity even Hendrix played one.... Mantis likes this. __________________ .....those glorious instruments are often mocked for having all the suttelty of a sledge hammer and the dynamic range of a chainsaw, a jangling noise machine..... After all they only made so many guitars, and they ain't makin' any more.

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SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity Ah! That makes sense. I wonder if it was a Junior reworked? Rerouted and binding etc?

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jimi55lp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity Like mine too!

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kdm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 50° 4' 0" North, 7° 46' 0" East Posts: 1,302 Thanks: 48 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity for comparison the pup cavity of a 54 LP Goldtop......the tenon is clearly visible. __________________ .....those glorious instruments are often mocked for having all the suttelty of a sledge hammer and the dynamic range of a chainsaw, a jangling noise machine..... After all they only made so many guitars, and they ain't makin' any more.

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12watt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Bottom edge of England Posts: 6,349 Thanks: 147 Thanked 74 Times in 18 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity Mysterious. Maybe it had a mini humbucker fitted at one time?

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Danelectro V.I.P. Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,635 Thanks: 0 Thanked 59 Times in 17 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity A singlecut Special has a box neck joint like a SC Junior so there is no long tenon. kdm likes this.

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jimi55lp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity What Danelectro said! Sad but true. The neck joint is why single cut Juniors and Specials are hard to convert to Standards.

05-10-2012, 12:43 PM	#25 (permalink)
jimi55lp Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Metairie, Louisiana Posts: 1,335 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 50s LP Special neck pup cavity That was the Burst conversion on Ebay that's a 1956 Special converted to a Standard that I believe is listed now. The hardest thing about converting Juniors and Specials to Standards is the neck joint has no tennon and the neck joint is cut even with the sides and the end of the fretboard. JR & Special models have extra wood extended below the fretboard at the top of the cutaway, and if this is removed to trim it flush to the necks edge, it will expose the neck pocket. The neck has to be trimmed to a notch along that bottom edge to allow the neck to be remounted a bit lower and over lap the extra wood on the cutaway ang allow the shaving down to flush with the heal to give the look of a Standards neck set. If you want it to look like it has a long tennon, you have to trim/notch the end of the neck joint to allow a false tennon to glue under the necks end. This all looks fine if done well, but who would want it? I'd only convert a GT for this very reason. kdm likes this.

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