Framptons '54 Custom found

Oranjeaap · 12-01-2011, 09:42 AM

Cool story here:

Im on a Dutch guitar forum, and this thread just shows up where this guy claims to have found the famous Frampton guitar that was lost in a plane crash.

Here are some pictures first, then I will translate the original thread in English so everybody can read the story.

Ill start translating his story now, stay tuned, wont take long

Matt_21 · 12-01-2011, 09:44 AM

Doesn't this story come to the top every once in awhile and neve gets verified? Or is that something else I'm thinking of?

Oranjeaap · 12-01-2011, 09:53 AM

Have some patience, read the story, and then judge. This story sounds legit. I never heard one of the other stories before. Just wait a couple of minutes till im ready

Matt_21 · 12-01-2011, 09:57 AM

Sorry, not saying it's not true, just saying I recall hearing something similar awhile back.

Oranjeaap · 12-01-2011, 10:00 AM

As most of you know, many of Frampton's instruments were lost in the 1980 plane crash. Appearantly, not all intruments 'died' in the crash. It seems that some locals have salvaged some equipment from the plane.

Here is the story from the guy on the Dutch story:

"The '54 custom and another Les Paul was offered for sale by 2 venezuelan guys to a guitarist during a gig in a small local bar. He had no money with him at the time, but a few days later he bought the guitar(s) from the 2 guys". This was in Caracas so he says.
The guy untill recently, has owned the guitar.

This is where the Dutch guy comes into the story. A friend of his, living on Curaçao (former Dutch colony), contacted him about a very old Les Paul custom that was brought in for repair. Not a guitar you see every day.

To keep it short: they recognised the guitar so they put in some effort to buy the guitar, and it was succesfull. The also contacted Frampton and he is gonna buy the guitar back from them, and they will receive some money + cool Gibson guitar for the both of them.

Sounds like a legit story. Could also be bullshit. Just keep an eye out for any official news and then we'll know sure

mapleflame · 12-01-2011, 10:33 AM

Last inlay is too small. His 50's Custom was a 54 that had the three last inlays the same size. Framton had grovers not sperzels and many other obvious things. Tri-black pickups.

Matt_21 · 12-01-2011, 10:41 AM

Yeah. Sounds similar to the story I was mentioning hearing before.
Well if it is real...cool. if not...too bad.

Backstage · 12-01-2011, 10:46 AM

Whether the story is true or not, it is certainly nice.
And the guitar looks like she's got a lot of rock'n roll

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tag2 · 12-01-2011, 10:51 AM

Plane crash mojo!

Oranjeaap · 12-01-2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleflame

Last inlay is too small. His 50's Custom was a 54 that had the three last inlays the same size. Framton had grovers not sperzels and many other obvious things. Tri-black pickups.

That was the main concern I had aswell. Remember, this guitar has been owned by another person for the last 30 years, so the changed parts arent a real concern to me

captain tightpants · 12-01-2011, 11:02 AM

Wasn't the back of Frampton's '54 hogged out? I could have sworn I've seen pictures of it with huge cavities routed out of the back and covered over with a huge back plate(s).

tag2 · 12-01-2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleflame

Last inlay is too small. His 50's Custom was a 54 that had the three last inlays the same size. Framton had grovers not sperzels and many other obvious things. Tri-black pickups.

Yup!

Oranjeaap · 12-01-2011, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleflame

Last inlay is too small. His 50's Custom was a 54 that had the three last inlays the same size. Framton had grovers not sperzels and many other obvious things. Tri-black pickups.

Till what year did they make the last three inlays the same size?

mapleflame · 12-01-2011, 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oranjeaap

Till what year did they make the last three inlays the same size?

I have seen late 60 and 61 with the last inlay being smaller. On the other forum, there was a discussion as to where that change came about. Frampton had more than one Custom that he used. It's tough to really know what year he really had. Lots of different pics and stories.

TKOjams · 12-01-2011, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapleflame

Last inlay is too small. His 50's Custom was a 54 that had the three last inlays the same size. Framton had grovers not sperzels and many other obvious things. Tri-black pickups.

and the Nashville bridge, should have an ABR-1, and what's with the PG?

jcsk8 · 12-01-2011, 11:59 AM

That nashville bridge doesn´t seems right to me.

Benwave · 12-01-2011, 12:16 PM

Well look again boys

peter verkleind.jpg

I am the guy from the Dutch forum, how are you all doing ?
The Les Paul custom from Mariana was a 1957 and not a 1954.
Peter get the guitar around 1970 and at that time it was nothing more then a used secondhand Gibson. Mark Mariana thought it was from 1954, but in fact it was from 1957.
I personally emailed with mister Peter Frampton. My first question to him was . are you certain that the lost guitar was a 1954 Gibson ? Because we found a 1957 guitar. And he said yes i could be one from 1957.
In that time (1970) nobody bothered with dates.
If you look closely at the pictures from that time you can see that the last three inlays are different
Just as a 1957 one should be.

But wait a few weeks, and all will be clear

Luckynumber3 · 12-01-2011, 01:04 PM

So would this be the "Frampton Comes Alive" guitar if it is legit?

tag2 · 12-01-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benwave

But wait a few weeks, and all will be clear

That would be cool as hell if it is Mr. Frampton's guitar. Getting it back after 30+ years!

Luckynumber3 · 12-01-2011, 01:19 PM

Even if it isn't frampton's custom, is it still a 50s custom? I can imagine that it would be worth quite a bit of money if so, and thus a cool find.

deepblue · 12-01-2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luckynumber3

So would this be the "Frampton Comes Alive" guitar if it is legit?

Yes sir! I think it would be sweet to get it back after all these years. Peter is a decent guy too. Very down to earth.

nicolasrivera · 12-01-2011, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oranjeaap

As most of you know, many of Frampton's instruments were lost in the 1980 plane crash. Appearantly, not all intruments 'died' in the crash. It seems that some locals have salvaged some equipment from the plane.

Here is the story from the guy on the Dutch story:

"The '54 custom and another Les Paul was offered for sale by 2 venezuelan guys to a guitarist during a gig in a small local bar. He had no money with him at the time, but a few days later he bought the guitar(s) from the 2 guys". This was in Caracas so he says.
The guy untill recently, has owned the guitar.

This is where the Dutch guy comes into the story. A friend of his, living on Curaçao (former Dutch colony), contacted him about a very old Les Paul custom that was brought in for repair. Not a guitar you see every day.

To keep it short: they recognised the guitar so they put in some effort to buy the guitar, and it was succesfull. The also contacted Frampton and he is gonna buy the guitar back from them, and they will receive some money + cool Gibson guitar for the both of them.

Sounds like a legit story. Could also be bullshit. Just keep an eye out for any official news and then we'll know sure

Oranjeapp thanks for bringing this story to us and cool you did the translation

Where any photos taken of her insides?

Love how the guitar looks!

rockstar232007 · 12-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Edit: See post #64.

alvintage · 12-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Stranger things than this have happened for sure, but as far as this being the actual Frampton geet, buyer beware. He himself should know, tho???

***b-squared*** · 12-01-2011, 02:28 PM

Looking at the buckle rash on the back, there's a small section that looks much newer that the rest...like it was recently reliced and not smoothed into the wood.

Nice looking guitar though, road warrior.

BB

SKATTERBRANE · 12-01-2011, 02:39 PM

The last three inays should be the same until sometime late 1960. If it were a 1954 OR a 1957, the last three inlays should be the same size, and certainly NOT a Nashville bridge!

EEF13 · 12-01-2011, 02:45 PM

When Frampton tries it out, he will know if it was his. A lot of times when you have a connection with a guitar especially a Les Paul you can feel if it was yours or not.

SKATTERBRANE · 12-01-2011, 02:47 PM

Some pictures to compare various features.

1960 Custom:

1956 "Gibson" logo:

1968 "Gibson" logo:

1958 Gibson Custom Headstock:

SKATTERBRANE · 12-01-2011, 02:52 PM

I think the plane crash survivor is from 70s era.

Greg's Guitars · 12-01-2011, 02:55 PM

Yea, had a guy buy a couple Harleys from me a few years back, swore he knew where Page's Black Les Paul that was stolen was at....

12-01-2011, 09:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Oranjeaap Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,014 Thanks: 38 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	Framptons '54 Custom found Cool story here: Im on a Dutch guitar forum, and this thread just shows up where this guy claims to have found the famous Frampton guitar that was lost in a plane crash. Here are some pictures first, then I will translate the original thread in English so everybody can read the story. Ill start translating his story now, stay tuned, wont take long skydog, tonebone, geochem1st and 20 others like this. __________________

12-01-2011, 09:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Matt_21 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,725 Thanks: 77 Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Doesn't this story come to the top every once in awhile and neve gets verified? Or is that something else I'm thinking of? Lowdown likes this.

12-01-2011, 09:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Oranjeaap Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,014 Thanks: 38 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Have some patience, read the story, and then judge. This story sounds legit. I never heard one of the other stories before. Just wait a couple of minutes till im ready LIBERTYMACHINE likes this. __________________

12-01-2011, 09:57 AM	#4 (permalink)
Matt_21 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,725 Thanks: 77 Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Sorry, not saying it's not true, just saying I recall hearing something similar awhile back.

12-01-2011, 10:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
Oranjeaap Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 6,014 Thanks: 38 Thanked 78 Times in 20 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found As most of you know, many of Frampton's instruments were lost in the 1980 plane crash. Appearantly, not all intruments 'died' in the crash. It seems that some locals have salvaged some equipment from the plane. Here is the story from the guy on the Dutch story: "The '54 custom and another Les Paul was offered for sale by 2 venezuelan guys to a guitarist during a gig in a small local bar. He had no money with him at the time, but a few days later he bought the guitar(s) from the 2 guys". This was in Caracas so he says. The guy untill recently, has owned the guitar. This is where the Dutch guy comes into the story. A friend of his, living on Curaçao (former Dutch colony), contacted him about a very old Les Paul custom that was brought in for repair. Not a guitar you see every day. To keep it short: they recognised the guitar so they put in some effort to buy the guitar, and it was succesfull. The also contacted Frampton and he is gonna buy the guitar back from them, and they will receive some money + cool Gibson guitar for the both of them. Sounds like a legit story. Could also be bullshit. Just keep an eye out for any official news and then we'll know sure albertlespaul and tuco12 like this. __________________

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12-01-2011, 10:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
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12-01-2011, 10:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
Matt_21 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,725 Thanks: 77 Thanked 18 Times in 9 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Yeah. Sounds similar to the story I was mentioning hearing before. Well if it is real...cool. if not...too bad. Lowdown likes this.

12-01-2011, 10:46 AM	#8 (permalink)
Backstage Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 2,835 Thanks: 81 Thanked 21 Times in 7 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Whether the story is true or not, it is certainly nice. And the guitar looks like she's got a lot of rock'n roll .

12-01-2011, 10:51 AM	#9 (permalink)
tag2 Bartlett Retrospec Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 762 Thanks: 8 Thanked 101 Times in 13 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Plane crash mojo! jeffro369, itchybro, jcsk8 and 2 others like this.

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captain tightpants Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: In the pit rubbing the lotion on it's skin. It doesn't like the hose. Posts: 12,300 Thanks: 184 Thanked 174 Times in 32 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Wasn't the back of Frampton's '54 hogged out? I could have sworn I've seen pictures of it with huge cavities routed out of the back and covered over with a huge back plate(s).

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jcsk8 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,901 Thanks: 183 Thanked 21 Times in 9 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found That nashville bridge doesn´t seems right to me. __________________ Profile pic not me. Just a beauty view

12-01-2011, 12:16 PM	#17 (permalink)
Benwave Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Well look again boys peter verkleind.jpg I am the guy from the Dutch forum, how are you all doing ? The Les Paul custom from Mariana was a 1957 and not a 1954. Peter get the guitar around 1970 and at that time it was nothing more then a used secondhand Gibson. Mark Mariana thought it was from 1954, but in fact it was from 1957. I personally emailed with mister Peter Frampton. My first question to him was . are you certain that the lost guitar was a 1954 Gibson ? Because we found a 1957 guitar. And he said yes i could be one from 1957. In that time (1970) nobody bothered with dates. If you look closely at the pictures from that time you can see that the last three inlays are different Just as a 1957 one should be. But wait a few weeks, and all will be clear tazzboy, Infamous, LIBERTYMACHINE and 1 others like this.

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Luckynumber3 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Earth Posts: 4,999 Thanks: 57 Thanked 178 Times in 60 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found So would this be the "Frampton Comes Alive" guitar if it is legit?

12-01-2011, 01:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
Luckynumber3 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Earth Posts: 4,999 Thanks: 57 Thanked 178 Times in 60 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Even if it isn't frampton's custom, is it still a 50s custom? I can imagine that it would be worth quite a bit of money if so, and thus a cool find.

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rockstar232007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Born and raised in South Detroit... Posts: 8,429 Thanks: 232 Thanked 80 Times in 15 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Edit: See post #64. __________________ "If LPs were women, Epis would be the gold-diggers; Most of them are beautiful, but just end up taking all of your money!" - Me (So, I quoted myself! Big whoop! Wanna fight about it?!) Last edited by rockstar232007; 12-02-2011 at 03:50 AM.

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alvintage Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 78 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Stranger things than this have happened for sure, but as far as this being the actual Frampton geet, buyer beware. He himself should know, tho???

12-01-2011, 02:28 PM	#25 (permalink)
*b-squared* MLP Pacific NW! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Northwest WA Posts: 20,718 Thanks: 632 Thanked 713 Times in 104 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Looking at the buckle rash on the back, there's a small section that looks much newer that the rest...like it was recently reliced and not smoothed into the wood. Nice looking guitar though, road warrior. BB __________________ Life's too short to deal with bad tone!

12-01-2011, 02:39 PM	#26 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found The last three inays should be the same until sometime late 1960. If it were a 1954 OR a 1957, the last three inlays should be the same size, and certainly NOT a Nashville bridge!

12-01-2011, 02:45 PM	#27 (permalink)
EEF13 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Panama City, Panama Posts: 8,409 Thanks: 307 Thanked 656 Times in 260 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found When Frampton tries it out, he will know if it was his. A lot of times when you have a connection with a guitar especially a Les Paul you can feel if it was yours or not.

12-01-2011, 02:47 PM	#28 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Some pictures to compare various features. 1960 Custom: 1956 "Gibson" logo: 1968 "Gibson" logo: 1958 Gibson Custom Headstock:

12-01-2011, 02:52 PM	#29 (permalink)
SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found I think the plane crash survivor is from 70s era.

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