Framptons '54 Custom found - Page 20

Fletch · 12-14-2011, 02:54 PM

I agree, if it were "no" it would be quick and painless. But if I were Peter Frampton and someone came to me with that guitar (or any 50's les paul) I would be wanting to acquire it anyway even if it wasn't the same one I lost years ago.

I agree that maybe it's the one and it's going to get restored before it goes public as a story on Gibson's website.

fletch

River · 12-14-2011, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin James

Personally, this move already tells me what I want to know.

If it can't be proven to be the wrong guitar, it won't be the wrong guitar.

Mr Teeny · 12-14-2011, 03:07 PM

Surely if they only met today no one expects them to say yes without going thru god knows how many checks to verify it's not a fake. Plus I imagine they'd be a lot of haggling over the price so no one would want to play their cards too early and appear desperate.

tag2 · 12-14-2011, 03:07 PM

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denwing · 12-14-2011, 03:37 PM

It'd be a kick in the butt if he was surprised with having to sign some sort of agreement preventing him from discussing any further details or profiting from the story in some way... (if it is PF's). Am I being too cynical?

Lowdown · 12-14-2011, 03:43 PM

Cynical?
You're asking us?!

FLICKOFLASH · 12-14-2011, 03:55 PM

I am sure as Peter agreement with Gibson they want to premere the storyplus a future model.

Sterling # Sound · 12-14-2011, 05:05 PM

Just imagine how many people could benefit from this guitar if it's the one.

Benwave & friend: holding a historically valuable guitar, worth a lot of money.
Peter Frampton: getting his old guitar back, getting a new signature guitar from Gibson
Gibson: increasing publicity for the brand, creating and selling a new version of the guitar, restoring the original (and documenting this for publicity)
Record company: using the story for publicity, announcing a new tour?

All this stuff will take time to set up, and unfortunately there may be a lot of downplaying from Gibson/PF about the real value, so they can purchase the guitar at a sane price. And although it will be a valuable guitar, we should be realistic... PF is not Jimi Hendrix. Remember how long that Hendrix/Zappa mongrel strat was up for sale?

b3john · 12-14-2011, 05:47 PM

I dunno, I think maybe the delay could give the marketing types tie some sort of promotion and marketing campaign together.

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Originally Posted by Sterling # Sound

Record company: using the story for publicity, announcing a new tour?

He's still on his FCA 35! tour that started last year. Can't wait!

captain tightpants · 12-14-2011, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deepblue

I think evereyone here no matter what their opinion is hopes Peter gets his guitar back.
Even if he chooses to leave the guitar as is, hanging in his music room.
At least his baby will be home.

I've said all along I hope it's his and he gets it back

lpcustom69 · 12-14-2011, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling # Sound

Just imagine how many people could benefit from this guitar if it's the one.

Benwave & friend: holding a historically valuable guitar, worth a lot of money.
Peter Frampton: getting his old guitar back, getting a new signature guitar from Gibson
Gibson: increasing publicity for the brand, creating and selling a new version of the guitar, restoring the original (and documenting this for publicity)
Record company: using the story for publicity, announcing a new tour?

All this stuff will take time to set up, and unfortunately there may be a lot of downplaying from Gibson/PF about the real value, so they can purchase the guitar at a sane price. And although it will be a valuable guitar, we should be realistic... PF is not Jimi Hendrix. Remember how long that Hendrix/Zappa mongrel strat was up for sale?

Ben had mentioned that Peter would get the guitar for what they paid for it. He said they would be able to make some money on the guitar if it wasn't his.

That said, I'm sure they'll do OK.

nicolasrivera · 12-14-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sterling # Sound

How many 3 humbucker Les Paul Customs would be floating around in Venezuela?

To tell you the truth I'm not surprised at all, we are a smaller poorer country and you'll be surprised the vintage shit that turns up from time to time.

SKATTERBRANE · 12-14-2011, 10:59 PM

Maybe it is just a genetic mutation of Honduras mahogany?

River · 12-14-2011, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicolasrivera

To tell you the truth I'm not surprised at all, we are a smaller poorer country and you'll be surprised the vintage shit that turns up from time to time.

Not sure if I'd go admitting that.

hotpepper01 · 12-15-2011, 01:58 AM

Do we see a limited edition of the Peter Frampton "crash-reliced" Gibson Les Paul Custom coming up here? Of course numbered and all signed by the great man himself. #1 will be Peter's. #3 and 4 will go to the Dutchies... O yeah, and a non signed guitar for a little less.

Wilko · 12-15-2011, 02:13 AM

My gut feeling is PF would want to restore it and not have it remind him of the accident and the resulting deaths.

Midnight Blues · 12-15-2011, 05:51 AM

Personally, I wasn't expecting an answer right away. I don't think it's realistic. I agree with mdubya that most likely they want to have time to thoroughly check it out before they make a determination.

If it is his #1, it would have been nice if this had surfaced before he started the 35th anniversary of the FCA tour, so he could have gotten it restored (if he wanted to?) and used it.

joshhohensee · 12-15-2011, 07:54 AM

I personally think they're taking the next month to disassemble, measure, document, DNA test and generally gang rape this guitar, before total restoration, which BTW, I think is completely retarded.

WTF, if the thing is playable, which it probably is, why would you restore it? That thing has a story to tell, and the magic goes away when you refin it. Put on parts that it absolutely has to have, age the new parts and rock out with your cock out. Pretty simple.

WhatDoIKnow · 12-15-2011, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sterling # Sound

Just imagine how many people could benefit from this guitar if it's the one.

Benwave & friend: holding a historically valuable guitar, worth a lot of money.
Peter Frampton: getting his old guitar back, getting a new signature guitar from Gibson
Gibson: increasing publicity for the brand, creating and selling a new version of the guitar, restoring the original (and documenting this for publicity)
Record company: using the story for publicity, announcing a new tour?

All this stuff will take time to set up, and unfortunately there may be a lot of downplaying from Gibson/PF about the real value, so they can purchase the guitar at a sane price. And although it will be a valuable guitar, we should be realistic... PF is not Jimi Hendrix. Remember how long that Hendrix/Zappa mongrel strat was up for sale?

Don't forget the History or Discovery Channel possibilities in all this. They could make a 1 hour episode about this guitar, and they could create a "Vintage Guitar Lost and Found" show out of it hosted by Frampton. They have created shows out of a whole lot less than this.

Great marketing opportinity for Gibson. "Our guitars are built so well, they can survive fiery plane crashes."

Wilko · 12-15-2011, 12:29 PM

That guitar, according to photos, seems to have been restored/refinished at least twice (maybe three times).

It was routed for three humbuckers, neck shaved, and refinished before he got it. He described as "like new" when it was given to him. Later it shows up shiny with new gold hardware, then again with new fretboard and new hardware again.

I'd guess he liked it shiny and clean. Looked great on TV and on stage. He couldn't very well sling a dirty old Les Paul while wearing all that "I'm In You" era satin, now could he?

Man, those inlays are the real deal. You can't fake that.

Cookie-boy · 12-15-2011, 02:39 PM

Wilko has a very valid point. That period, all satin, frizzy perms and platform soles, required snazzy gear, not "road worn". Bang on, Wilko! As usual!

Ambrola · 12-15-2011, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lpcustom69

Ben had mentioned that Peter would get the guitar for what they paid for it. He said they would be able to make some money on the guitar if it wasn't his.

That said, I'm sure they'll do OK.

If this is an accurate statement, then someones a fool! I and most of you would make all they could. I mean, this is not Eric Claptons guitar, but a one album rock star?????

mdubya · 12-15-2011, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oranjeaap

...They also contacted Frampton and he is gonna buy the guitar back from them, and they will receive some money + cool Gibson guitar for the both of them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambrola

If this is an accurate statement, then someones a fool! I and most of you would make all they could. I mean, this is not Eric Claptons guitar, but a one album rock star?????

***Led Zep Fan*** · 12-15-2011, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambrola

If this is an accurate statement, then someones a fool! I and most of you would make all they could. I mean, this is not Eric Claptons guitar, but a one album rock star?????

Slash is pretty much a one album rock star, and he has 1,500 sig LPs...

The Greek · 12-15-2011, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tag2

Fat dog on back eating popcorn! - YouTube

My Rottweiler liked Pop corn also and almost did the same thing!!I greatly miss him,he passed away 2 years ago...

E.L. Fudge · 12-15-2011, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambrola

If this is an accurate statement, then someones a fool! I and most of you would make all they could. I mean, this is not Eric Claptons guitar, but a one album rock star?????

True, to some extent. But, that one album set the standard for 'Live' albums, and started the Live double album craze. It also contains multiple songs thare still in constant rotation on tons of radio stations across the US thirty five years later.

b3john · 12-15-2011, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E.L. Fudge

True, to some extent. But, that one album set the standard for 'Live' albums, and started the Live double album craze. It also contains multiple songs thare still in constant rotation on tons of radio stations across the US thirty five years later.

Not to mention Humble Pie before he struck out on his own. Dude can play.

pmonk · 12-15-2011, 06:05 PM

"Do You Feel Like We Do" from FCA cemented Frampton place in rock and roll history.

SKATTERBRANE · 12-15-2011, 06:28 PM

Peter won't be able to get in back in the USA because of the Lacey Act.

rockstar232007 · 12-15-2011, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambrola

If this is an accurate statement, then someones a fool! I and most of you would make all they could. I mean, this is not Eric Claptons guitar, but a one album rock star?????

'Tis better to be a "one album rockstar", than a "one hit wonder".

This guitar is one of THE most famous guitars in rock history, more so even than the Beano burst, considering that it was supposed to have been destroyed in a plane crash.

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Fletch V.I.P. Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 2,719 Thanks: 53 Thanked 109 Times in 16 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found I agree, if it were "no" it would be quick and painless. But if I were Peter Frampton and someone came to me with that guitar (or any 50's les paul) I would be wanting to acquire it anyway even if it wasn't the same one I lost years ago. I agree that maybe it's the one and it's going to get restored before it goes public as a story on Gibson's website. fletch

12-14-2011, 03:07 PM	#573 (permalink)
Mr Teeny Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Kent UK Posts: 1,851 Thanks: 20 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Surely if they only met today no one expects them to say yes without going thru god knows how many checks to verify it's not a fake. Plus I imagine they'd be a lot of haggling over the price so no one would want to play their cards too early and appear desperate.

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denwing Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found It'd be a kick in the butt if he was surprised with having to sign some sort of agreement preventing him from discussing any further details or profiting from the story in some way... (if it is PF's). Am I being too cynical?

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Sterling # Sound Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 904 Thanks: 41 Thanked 45 Times in 7 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Just imagine how many people could benefit from this guitar if it's the one. Benwave & friend: holding a historically valuable guitar, worth a lot of money. Peter Frampton: getting his old guitar back, getting a new signature guitar from Gibson Gibson: increasing publicity for the brand, creating and selling a new version of the guitar, restoring the original (and documenting this for publicity) Record company: using the story for publicity, announcing a new tour? All this stuff will take time to set up, and unfortunately there may be a lot of downplaying from Gibson/PF about the real value, so they can purchase the guitar at a sane price. And although it will be a valuable guitar, we should be realistic... PF is not Jimi Hendrix. Remember how long that Hendrix/Zappa mongrel strat was up for sale? X–Ray likes this. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/user/TheSterlingSound I've crossed the ocean, turned every bend I found the crossing near a golden rainbow's end I've been through magic and through life's reality I've lived a thousand years and it never bothered me

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SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Maybe it is just a genetic mutation of Honduras mahogany?

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hotpepper01 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 133 Thanks: 2 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Do we see a limited edition of the Peter Frampton "crash-reliced" Gibson Les Paul Custom coming up here? Of course numbered and all signed by the great man himself. #1 will be Peter's. #3 and 4 will go to the Dutchies... O yeah, and a non signed guitar for a little less.

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Wilko Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 393 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found My gut feeling is PF would want to restore it and not have it remind him of the accident and the resulting deaths. TKOjams, Gtarzan81, 79standard and 1 others like this.

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Midnight Blues Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 5,974 Thanks: 201 Thanked 52 Times in 18 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Personally, I wasn't expecting an answer right away. I don't think it's realistic. I agree with mdubya that most likely they want to have time to thoroughly check it out before they make a determination. If it is his #1, it would have been nice if this had surfaced before he started the 35th anniversary of the FCA tour, so he could have gotten it restored (if he wanted to?) and used it. __________________ *Midnight Blues*

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joshhohensee Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Smyrna, Tennesee, CSA Posts: 453 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found I personally think they're taking the next month to disassemble, measure, document, DNA test and generally gang rape this guitar, before total restoration, which BTW, I think is completely retarded. WTF, if the thing is playable, which it probably is, why would you restore it? That thing has a story to tell, and the magic goes away when you refin it. Put on parts that it absolutely has to have, age the new parts and rock out with your cock out. Pretty simple. lpcustom69 and 79standard like this. __________________ SGT Josh Hohensee Early 70's Big Thumb Acoustic D-18 copy, MIJ, the #1 1980 D'Agostino LP Not Black, lol, Tobacco burst, MIJ Signed by Skillet and For Sale! 2009 Ibanez GRX40 Black MIC 1990's Fender DG-11 Acoustic Black MIK 2005 Ibanez PF 5 Acoustic Black MIC Signed by Saving Abel Rest in peace SGT Pat Hamburger. We love you brother.

12-15-2011, 12:29 PM	#590 (permalink)
Wilko Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 393 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found That guitar, according to photos, seems to have been restored/refinished at least twice (maybe three times). It was routed for three humbuckers, neck shaved, and refinished before he got it. He described as "like new" when it was given to him. Later it shows up shiny with new gold hardware, then again with new fretboard and new hardware again. I'd guess he liked it shiny and clean. Looked great on TV and on stage. He couldn't very well sling a dirty old Les Paul while wearing all that "I'm In You" era satin, now could he? Man, those inlays are the real deal. You can't fake that. River likes this.

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Cookie-boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Under the care, custody and control of Matron. Posts: 15,213 Thanks: 552 Thanked 1,611 Times in 316 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Wilko has a very valid point. That period, all satin, frizzy perms and platform soles, required snazzy gear, not "road worn". Bang on, Wilko! As usual! River likes this.

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pmonk Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bergen Co. NJ Posts: 1,725 Thanks: 0 Thanked 28 Times in 8 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found "Do You Feel Like We Do" from FCA cemented Frampton place in rock and roll history. X–Ray and b3john like this. __________________

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SKATTERBRANE Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 21,441 Thanks: 603 Thanked 549 Times in 185 Posts	re: Framptons '54 Custom found Peter won't be able to get in back in the USA because of the Lacey Act. X–Ray and Lowdown like this.

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