Framptons '54 Custom found

[SKATTERBRANE]

The last three inlays in the picture with Frampton looks like they are all the same size to me.

[Benwave]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

The last three inays should be the same until sometime late 1960. If it were a 1954 OR a 1957, the last three inlays should be the same size, and certainly NOT a Nashville bridge!

Well if you take the trouble, enlarge the picture and then tell me what you think

Ok i did it for you.

peter verkleind.jpg

[spicky]

Originally Posted by rockstar232007

I call BS!

It would have been next to impossible for that guitar to have survived (let alone, anything else), because the crash was caused by the plain being overfueled. From everything I've read, it burned so hot that nobody could go near the site for three days.

Also, take a look at the TRC - WAY higher than on the FCA Custom.

Would be pretty cool, if true, but I highly doubt it?

Hi, Take a good look at the headstock, at the right side still fire marks and look at trush cover little melted by fire. A guard took several instrument out the plain including 2 Les Paul. The other is creame with only 2 pick ups and is still in Venezuela. The black one is no longer in Venezuela

[spicky]

The case which in the guitar burned off what did still protected guitar, beleave it or not, time will tell

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by Benwave

Well if you take the trouble, enlarge the picture and then tell me what you think

Ok i did it for you.

Attachment 51733

Maybe you could put that picture on a hosting site and then post it here full screen. This thumbnails do not do much good, even when I click on them.

But in any event, 1957 Customs have the same sized last three inlays.

[HOT-BRIT]

doubt it is his guitar, but a nice story

[mdubya]

Click the thumbnail, then click the photo that opens in the window and it will open as a full size image.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Originally Posted by mdubya

Click the thumbnail, then click the photo that opens in the window and it will open as a full size image.

Oh I have to click it TWICE! Got it.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Well it fills the page with WHITE, but the picture itself remains the same size as the first time I click it. But the resolution is so low that I still think the inlays are the same size.

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Oh I have to click it TWICE! Got it.

It is still kinda small.

[pinefd]

To my eyes, it appears that the 17th and 19th fret inlays are the same size in this pic, with a smaller 21st fret inlay:




Whereas, in this photo of the "newly discovered" guitar, those three inlays all appear to be different sizes:




Frank

[pinefd]

Originally Posted by Benwave

Well if you take the trouble, enlarge the picture and then tell me what you think

Ok i did it for you.

Attachment 51733

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Maybe you could put that picture on a hosting site and then post it here full screen. This thumbnails do not do much good, even when I click on them.

But in any event, 1957 Customs have the same sized last three inlays.

This is the best I could do with that small pic:




Frank

[SKATTERBRANE]

Thanks Frank. I agree with your observation on the picture in post #41

[TKOjams]

Originally Posted by Benwave

Well look again boys

Attachment 51722

I am the guy from the Dutch forum, how are you all doing ?
The Les Paul custom from Mariana was a 1957 and not a 1954.
Peter get the guitar around 1970 and at that time it was nothing more then a used secondhand Gibson. Mark Mariana thought it was from 1954, but in fact it was from 1957.
I personally emailed with mister Peter Frampton. My first question to him was . are you certain that the lost guitar was a 1954 Gibson ? Because we found a 1957 guitar. And he said yes i could be one from 1957.
In that time (1970) nobody bothered with dates.
If you look closely at the pictures from that time you can see that the last three inlays are different
Just as a 1957 one should be.

But wait a few weeks, and all will be clear

Frampton says it was a "54 How bout a shot of the pickup cavities?
look at 2:55

Peter Frampton - Guitars, Amps and Effects - YouTube

Peter Frampton - Guitars, Amps and Effects - YouTube

[mdubya]

Originally Posted by TKOjams

Frampton says it was a "54

look at 2:55
Peter Frampton - Guitars, Amps and Effects - YouTube

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[TKOjams]

Originally Posted by mdubya

That said, I am not taking one side or the other. Just reading along.

Same here just putting my two cents in.

[SKATTERBRANE]

Here are some good detail pictures for reference on a 1958 Custom:

1958 Gibson Les Paul Custom 58 Celebrity owned & Used Rock History RARE! | eBay

[SKATTERBRANE]

Certainly there are always factory deviations from standard.

[weirdotis]

The inlays are not the same size, and I worked up this quick image to prove it. I just drew a box to the height of the inlay (I only included 17 and 21 in the image) and set them against each other. The white line extending over the 21st fret box just highlights the discrepancy.

[weirdotis]

Also, I forgot to mention that the 17th and 19th fret inlays measure exactly the same for me, confirming what Frank said.

[sangandongo]

Originally Posted by SKATTERBRANE

Thanks Frank. I agree with your observation on the picture in post #41

Actually, I don't. I zoomed in with a lupe tool and measured them on screen. The difference is slight, but the last three are different sizes in both.

[weirdotis]

Originally Posted by sangandongo

Actually, I don't. I zoomed in with a lupe tool and measured them on screen. The difference is slight, but the last three are different sizes in both.

I measured them digitally, in Fireworks, and the 17th and 19th fret inlays are the same, and the 21st fret inlay is smaller.

[Oranjeaap]

I cant wait to find the outcome of this. The guitar in the pictures doesnt remind of me a 50's les paul custom at all, but still I have this feeling that the result of this is gonna be very very interesting.

[Leumas]

Originally Posted by pinefd

Frank

Originally Posted by pinefd

It looks to me like in both of the Frampton pics that the inlay at the 17th fret is actually slightly askew, it seems to be misplaced counter clockwise just a tad. In the "new" pics it is aligned perfectly.

[captain tightpants]

Originally Posted by TKOjams

Frampton says it was a "54 How bout a shot of the pickup cavities?
look at 2:55
Peter Frampton - Guitars, Amps and Effects - YouTube

Is the bass player in this vid John Regan?

[Leumas]

It isn't the best pic, but it seems like the inlay at the 17th is askew here as well...

[Lowdown]

It could very well be Frampton's Custom…but it ain't the Custom.

If anything did survive that fire,which burned at 1800 degrees Farenheit maximum,that guitar pictured is probably one of his backups.

I'm sure this reared it's head a few months back didn't it?

[twinrider1]

woody-89 at LPF brought up what appears to be an excellent point.

Well, for a start that new guitar has binding nibs, whereas all the other pics show it having had a refret..


Looks like it was refretted to me.

[weirdotis]

Frets look much wider than what's on the Frampton LP also.

[zendriveseven]

Just a suggestion, but join Peter on Facebook. He's very active and I'm sure he will share details if it's true. A few months ago I wrote a review on one of his NJ shows and responded personally.