Framptons '54 Custom found

[Cookie-boy]

Keep smiling!

[deepblue]

Why does a simple post turn into a pissing match?

Either you think it's Framptons guitar or you don't. It's fun to share opinions but there is no reason at all for this to turn mean.

[Leumas]

Skip the woe is me act and grow the hell up. If you don't get why people would DARE have the audacity to question the authenticity of this guitar then there's not much I can say. I can't point to one person on this board who has resorted to personal attacks on you, but this is how you reply.

[BCRGreg]

Originally Posted by Funky54

Having not seen thousands of 50's Gibsons I'm sure I'm just some liar, fraude idiot. Glad you had your fun. goodbye.

That might be, but that was not my point.

[BCRGreg]

Originally Posted by Funky54

Sorry but Jesse from Cowtown, Gruhn Guitar and several other people I consider to be top notch saw and confirmed my 56 as original and un touched, but hey what do they know. The buyer sure thought it was worth every penny.

On Gruhn's thoroughness.....I have a Gruhn appraisal of a customer's 1952 Tele. Read the appraisal document, then look at the date codes on the pots.



If you miss something like that, what else do you miss?

[Deguello]

Great thread

About 1 hour ago I posted a link to this thread on Mr. Framptons FB page, asking him for a comment about it. I did this without any expectations as I know he can not reply to everyone's post. I doubt he has time to even read any of them.

My post was deleted for some reason. I guess whoever handles his page did not want it there. I was not rude, so I know that is not why it was removed?

Oh well, I knew it was a longshot but I tried..

[Northwinds]

My neighbor knows Pete, I will ask him to email this thread to him and see if he responds about it

[pinefd]

Greg, I'm glad you brought up the Gruhn appraisal thing first. I just recently bought a guitar with a similar "appraisal" done by Gruhn, and it's laughable how far off it is. I think one of the problems is that they're in such demand for appraisals these days, that they often do very cursory inspections of guitars, and will even do appraisals long distance using nothing but crappy photos and a written or verbal description from the owner (which is often biased). The appraisal I have claims that my guitar is a '55, yet if they had looked inside the control cavity, they would have been able to tell that it was actually a '53!


Frank

[deepblue]

Originally Posted by Leumas

Skip the woe is me act and grow the hell up. If you don't get why people would DARE have the audacity to question the authenticity of this guitar then there's not much I can say. I can't point to one person on this board who has resorted to personal attacks on you, but this is how you reply.

Is this aimed at me? lol

[Benwave]

Originally Posted by Deguello

Great thread

About 1 hour ago I posted a link to this thread on Mr. Framptons FB page, asking him for a comment about it. I did this without any expectations as I know he can not reply to everyone's post. I doubt he has time to even read any of them.

My post was deleted for some reason. I guess whoever handles his page did not want it there. I was not rude, so I know that is not why it was removed?

Oh well, I knew it was a longshot but I tried..

Pretty bold of you, to do that, what was you thinking to gain with that ?
Demand accountability..
If you thinking that im a liar or a fraud , please say so here. But don't go harassing mister Frampton with it

[deepblue]

Originally Posted by Benwave

Pretty bold of you, to do that, what was you thinking to gain with that ?
Demand accountability..
If you thinking that im a liar or a fraud , please say so here. But don't go harassing mister Frampton with it

Why not? It's only a question. What harm can it do?

[Deguello]

Originally Posted by Benwave

Pretty bold of you, to do that, what was you thinking to gain with that ?
Demand accountability..
If you thinking that im a liar or a fraud , please say so here. But don't go harassing mister Frampton with it

I was in no way calling you a fraud or anything else.
Frankly, I thought it would be cool to hear from the man himself
I know it is a longshot but also worth a try.
I hope it is real, for Peter Frampton seems like a genuine guy

You acting like a big Jerk is not called for.
Stop getting your panties in a bunch anytime you assume someone disagrees with you.

Furthermore, I can message anyone I damn well please, understood?

[Cookie-boy]

Originally Posted by pinefd

Greg, I'm glad you brought up the Gruhn appraisal thing first. I just recently bought a guitar with a similar "appraisal" done by Gruhn, and it's laughable how far off it is. I think one of the problems is that they're in such demand for appraisals these days, that they often do very cursory inspections of guitars, and will even do appraisals long distance using nothing but crappy photos and a written or verbal description from the owner (which is often biased). The appraisal I have claims that my guitar is a '55, yet if they had looked inside the control cavity, they would have been able to tell that it was actually a '53!


Frank

I couldn't agree more. A trans-Atlantic appraisal based on a few well thumbed polaroids smacks more of a revenue generator than a truly professional opinion.

[craigh]

Originally Posted by Deguello

Great thread

About 1 hour ago I posted a link to this thread on Mr. Framptons FB page, asking him for a comment about it. I did this without any expectations as I know he can not reply to everyone's post. I doubt he has time to even read any of them.

My post was deleted for some reason. I guess whoever handles his page did not want it there. I was not rude, so I know that is not why it was removed?

Oh well, I knew it was a longshot but I tried..

I did the same thing last week & it was also deleted.

Craig

[Actinic]

This is the reason why Frampton wants no discussion of the guitar.

Peter Frampton: Divorcing Wife of 15 Years : People.com

It would become a marital asset, technically, as his estate is back audited. It doesn't matter that it was acquired before the marriage. Having been declared "lost", it was re-found in 2011, or so the OP says. The ex might demand it in the settlement. Ech?

[Les Paw]

Wow...What a thread... I have enjoyed it very much.. no need for a Waldstein thread this winter...I will say this has been a good read, but to the level of Waldstein, it is not...I think Peter will be very happy one way or the other.... I was not going to chime in with my opinion, not that anyone cares, but I will say that in the video, the appearence of the wood looking different is an optical illusion. You have old sony 2 inch video tape most likely and it degrades over time. They used VERY bright lights too. Also, the proximity of a "flashy" object, that of the metal fret, by the VERY dark ebony will cause the wood to appear smaller, being overshadowed by the glare. This is a common occurence in video tape from that era...My two cents..Hang in there Ben....

[deepblue]

Originally Posted by Actinic

This is the reason why Frampton wants no discussion of the guitar.

Peter Frampton: Divorcing Wife of 15 Years : People.com

It would become a marital asset, technically, as his estate is back audited. It doesn't matter that it was acquired before the marriage. Having been declared "lost", it was re-found in 2011, or so the OP says. The ex might demand it in the settlement. Ech?

Would she really be that petty? Who knows I guess.

[Wilko]

I, for one, Would not at all be surprised if the guitar found is a Frampton guitar. Why don't we see the original more? Maybe the new gold and refin on this one look better on stage? Maybe just luck of the camera. '54 could have been backstage.

The differences I see that are fairly solid are things like the fretboard end, the pickguard screw location, top carve, TRC, skewed inlay.

I'm excited to see the result of your meeting with him.

In 1977 my first electric guitar was a black Japanese Les Paul Custom (Hondo II with factory DiMarzios). My parents gave it to me with an amp, Frampton Comes Alive and the songbook. Totally iconic.

[27sauce]

Originally Posted by Actinic

This is the reason why Frampton wants no discussion of the guitar.

Peter Frampton: Divorcing Wife of 15 Years : People.com

It would become a marital asset, technically, as his estate is back audited. It doesn't matter that it was acquired before the marriage. Having been declared "lost", it was re-found in 2011, or so the OP says. The ex might demand it in the settlement. Ech?

He just got that burst recently...

[Spekter]

I'm sure Frampton had quite a few LP customs. Probably comps from Gibson. I've even seen shots of him playing a black custom with two pickups. However, in all the pictures/videos I have seen right up until 1980, all have had the engraved truss rod cover. If the guitar in question had the headstock damaged in the plane crash, the melted TRC would not be blank. Not saying that this can't be one of his spares, just that it isn't any of the guitars we have been looking at.

[Pensioner]

Just as an aside: I saw Peter Frampton on the Merv Griffin show back in the late 70s. This was long before guitars became Objects of Desire (OoD) for me. I’d heard Show Me the Way by then of course and was quite interested to see how he got that gurgling wah wah sort of sound when he sang. Another guest on the show was the actor Tony Randall. Randall was a prissy sort and made a few comments about Frampton’s appearance, the hair, open shirt, etc., and couldn’t he afford to dress a little better. Griffin laughed and said something like Randall needn’t worry about that. Frampton Comes Alive had by then of course sold about a zillion copies and he could have bought and sold Randall many hundreds of times over.

Well, I don’t remember the guitar he played on that show and it’s odd that I even remember that particular show. Probably just because of the wah wah tube and Randall’s bitchy comments.

I’ve Googled “Peter Frampton on the Merv Griffin show” but to no avail. Pity, that, it would be interesting to see a clip or photo of his appearance on the show.

Interesting thread, incidentally.

P

[drew365]

I know there's a lot of expertise on this site. But it amazes me when guys will sit in their bedroom and say that they know exactly what a company like Gibson was doing 60 years ago. One of my interests is exotic cars and Gibson and Ferrari have a lot in common in what they each did in the '50's and 60's. Which is, what ever they felt like doing, to keep the doors open and profit flowing. Record keeping and serial numbers be damned. It's fine to speculate, but there's too many abnormalities from these companies to pretend you know it all.

[alvintage]

the melted TRC would not be blank.

Forensics will find any engraving, if it's there. Also, there should be recoverable traces of Peter F's DNA, impregnated in the fretboard. Suspicious fire investigators will examine whether the guitar was charred by aviation fuel or, say for example, lighter fluid.
All will be revealed!

[Deguello]

Originally Posted by deepblue

Would she really be that petty? Who knows I guess.

Well, she is a woman isn't she?

[marvar]

Stop the insanity!
Please let this thread die!
Too many people with too much time on their hands.

[Wilko]

Originally Posted by alvintage

Forensics will find any engraving, if it's there.

This is an example of the kind of posts that can only come from someone not so familiar with the details of these guitars. The engraving is DEEP all the way to the white layer.

Similar posts on the other forum were about how the "celluloid" inlays would have melted...

[Deguello]

Originally Posted by Wilko

This is an example of the kind of posts that can only come from someone not so familiar with the details of these guitars. The engraving is DEEP all the way to the white layer.

Similar posts on the other forum were about how the "celluloid" inlays would have melted...

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic (at least I hope he was)

[alvintage]

This is an example of the kind of posts that can only come from someone not so familiar with the details of these guitars.

My post was a, perhaps misguided, attempt to lighten the mood, as some were getting a little 'intense'.

The implication of my post (if it was to be taken seriously) was that if the surface of the TRC melted, it could flow into the engraving, solidify and leave the TRC blank. A forensic examination (which of course will never happen) would reveal the entombed engraving.

I'm not sure if you're just yankin' my chain but I claim no expertise in 'these guitars'. I do own an LP custom with engraved TRC.

[BCRGreg]

Originally Posted by alvintage

My post was a, perhaps misguided, attempt to lighten the mood, as some were getting a little 'intense'.

The implication of my post (if it was to be taken seriously) was that if the surface of the TRC melted, it could flow into the engraving, solidify and leave the TRC blank. A forensic examination (which of course will never happen) would reveal the entombed engraving.

I'm not sure if you're just yankin' my chain but I claim no expertise in 'these guitars'. I do own an LP custom with engraved TRC.

Though and interesting idea, that would not happen. The temperature needed to melt that material would destroy it.

[Mannish Boy]

Originally Posted by Actinic

This is the reason why Frampton wants no discussion of the guitar.

Peter Frampton: Divorcing Wife of 15 Years : People.com

It would become a marital asset, technically, as his estate is back audited. It doesn't matter that it was acquired before the marriage. Having been declared "lost", it was re-found in 2011, or so the OP says. The ex might demand it in the settlement. Ech?

His ex most likely knows dick about guitar values. Her attorneys- I assure you they will jump on that thing in a red hot second. The more that they win for her the higher their their cut is. Just sayin'.
I do hope that it's one of his old guitars and that he gets it back. I'd give a lot to have some of my old guitars back...